EMG GTV's? Who's tried them?

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Big fan of the EMG 81 here, but I'm always looking for the elusive "slightly fatter but still tight 81 type".

I've tried a couple that come close (JH-B, 81TW, 81X), but always end up coming back to my trusty old 81.

Is the GTV something I should be looking at? Who's tried them? How do they compare to the plain-jane 81?
 
Have you Tried an EMG 85? It feels like a fatter 81 with more lows but the lows are still tight.
 
Detroit1973":2r240rbh said:
Have you Tried an EMG 85? It feels like a fatter 81 with more lows but the lows are still tight.
I have. I like it, but I like the 81 better.

I think the 85 has LOTS of low mids and a very laid back attack which sound nice and fat in the room, but change the character of the pickup too radically.

I guess what I want is something that sits between the 81 and the 85, but leans more towards the 81.

:)
 
I’d be curious as well. I wish EMG gave EQ curve and other specs like SD, DiMarzio and BKP do. It’s like a crapshoot buying based off their descriptions.
 
I am an 81 lover. Not perfect but damn good for a lot of stuff. But I also have a ton of passive guitars though. But when I want the 81 sound, I just grab a guitar with an 81.

It's the only thing that does what it does for me.
 
Have you tried the EMG-Xs? I’ve found them to be a bit fatter
 
stratjacket":2b6uccb2 said:
I’d be curious as well. I wish EMG gave EQ curve and other specs like SD, DiMarzio and BKP do. It’s like a crapshoot buying based off their descriptions.
Agreed.

swamptrashstompboxes":2b6uccb2 said:
I am an 81 lover. Not perfect but damn good for a lot of stuff. But I also have a ton of passive guitars though. But when I want the 81 sound, I just grab a guitar with an 81.

It's the only thing that does what it does for me.
I've also got some passives. I particularly like Duncan Distortions, and I'm keeping at least one guitar with an 81 in there, but I'm curious about trying some other EMG stuff in other guitars.

DeathbyButterslax":2b6uccb2 said:
Have you tried the EMG-Xs? I’ve found them to be a bit fatter
Yes and yes. Slightly fatter. But also slightly tamer and not as powerful. Didn't like them. To me, they just felt like 18V-modded standard set with the volume knob dialed back just a touch. I'm a 9V kinda guy anyway.
 
I just got the GTV. The bass is huge. Excessive for a bridge pickup. It doesn't sound too different from a neck pickup. It does have a nice clarity but it's kinda scooped in the lower mids and doesn't have that high-mid peak that the 81 has. I'm having a hard time getting everything dialed in to make this pickup work. I do have a VMC in the guitar, but even with it boosting ~950Hz to max, it still doesn't balance out how much bass there is.
 
I have been looking for a long time for a passive that tends to mimic the EMG 81, but with a more organic character and feel...Have yet to find one.
 
Did you ever end-up trying a 57?
I have not , but I've always read people saying they are close to an 81 with a tad more lows and actually a bit more output.
 
I have been looking for a long time for a passive that tends to mimic the EMG 81, but with a more organic character and feel...Have yet to find one.
I find the humble Duncan Distortion is very close to that.

I do want to try the EMG JR though, since it seems like it's just a Retroactive 81.
 
Did you ever end-up trying a 57?
I have not , but I've always read people saying they are close to an 81 with a tad more lows and actually a bit more output.
57 is quite different from the 81. A lot more low-mids, a very different EQ profile. Thicker. But because of the steel in the 57, it's inherently more noisy than any other EMG. I have severe EM/RF pollution here and the 57 is so noisy, it's completely unusable. Only in my apartment, though. Everywhere else I've plugged in, the 81, GTV, JR, etc, are as quiet as a guitar could possibly be thru high gain, and the 57 has a noticeable but minor noise. But here, the noise from the 81, etc, is barely manageable and the noise from the 57 is so bad, it's audible over the guitar.
The 81 has a pronounced peak in the high-mids but is quite lacking in the low-mids. This is why a lot of people feel it to be 'thin' - it's not for a lack of bass, but of low-mids. And the harshness often complained of is from that high-mid peak, but not that alone, but with the high-mid peak AND the missing low-mids, the harshness becomes more pronounced.
I was really hoping to find something just like the 81 but with more in the low-mids to balance out the high-mids and give it some thickness. There's only one YT demo of the GTV, and it's compared to the 81, and from that one video, it seemed like the GTV might have been what I was after. But now that I have it, it just has way too much bass for a bridge pickup and is fairly scooped in the midrange. It does have a nice clarity, but the bass is overwhelming and with the scooped midrange it can get buried in the mix.
In comparisons of the 81 vs the JH Het set and the KHBB set, it seems like they took the 81 and boosted the bass and rolled off the treble. But I really think that simply boosting the low-mids is all the 81 needs to be made perfect and remedy the common complaint of 'thin & harsh'.
I also have a JR Daemonium set. This bridge pickup has much higher output than the 81, more bass, more low-mids, but can be kinda dark & boxy.
Another thing I noticed about the GTV is that it has slightly lower output than the 81.
I finally got a Fishman Modern ceramic humbucker yesterday to try for the first time. The older 2-voicing model. It also has a HF Tilt option that rolls off some treble, a low-gain option for voice 1, and the ability to coil tap either coil. It integrated into my solderless EMG pots/wiring just fine. I don't have any push/pull pots or switches yet, so I used the white & black EMG connect cables to extend the terminals for the V2, HF, & V1 lo-gain options out of the cavity/pickguard, then I used a red power distribution port (6 pins for the 9V) as a jumper to engage any combination of the 3 options.
This pickup has so much higher output than the 81 and GTV, and voice 1 is even higher output than the JR Daemonium. It's much more present in the midrange, a more balanced tone. And is much less noisy than the EMGs.
I have an EMG VMC, EXG, VLPF active tone, and ABC active balance control instead of a switch, and the Fishman works with all of these and with the EMG Daemonium still in the neck position. This is my favorite neck humbucker for clean tones so far. I haven't tried a Fishman in the neck, but I don't like alnico. My other guitar has an EMG H humbucker-sized single-coil in the neck with a GTV in the bridge for now. But I might just have to swap that bridge for another Fishman.
I did some comparison recordings of the GTV vs the Fishman and the bass in the GTV is so huge and distorted. Voice 2 on the Fishman has more bass than voice 1, but it's still not as much as the GTV. And the Fishman is just smooth under high gain, while the GTV is gritty. Yet the Fishman is much higher output.
 
Oh, and about grounding...
Fishmans say to ground to the bridge. EMGs say don't ground to the bridge.
I did connect EMGs to the bridge ground once and it made a lot of noise. I eventually shielded the cavities with copper tape and then 2 coats of conductive paint over the tape. The EMG wiring gets grounded to the shielding thru the pots being in contact with the shielding. Once I added the conductive paint over the tape, it seemed to reduce the EM/RF noise just a little.
I replaced the bridge EMG with the Fishman, EMG still in the neck, EMG solderless pots and wiring, and it's doing fine without a bridge ground and is much less noisy than any EMG bridge pickup I have (GTV, JR, 81, which really aren't noisy anywhere but my apartment).
So, Fishman mixed with EMG, grounded to shielding but not bridge, and the Fishman is much less susceptible to EM/RF interference.
 
GTV is a good step if you want a bit more girth without losing that 81 feel.
 

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