EVH Harmonics

psychodave

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Hate to state the obvious, but practice. Eddie was trying to be different, so it wasn’t as much practice as it was exploration and discovery. Learn how to pop the strings. I have little doubt you can’t do it. 👍
 

cragginshred77

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Funny my band was going to pick up Dance the night away and i was very concerned about the middle tapping. I got better at it with a pop approach,.. tapping the string just off the fret And tap E,B and G strings together diagonally for the inverted chord part of the riff.

A part of my struggle was not getting string or feedback noise while tapping. We ended up not doing the song because my singer was not digging the vocal parts.
 

CLUBTURBO

Member
Well, using a Detuner upfront of the effects chain
is a huge asset. (detuner set to -9 cents)
And Should Be The Loudest Effect.
Detuning Your Guitar A Half Step Is Next.

As Well As Turning to A-432 and not A-440.
This Is Huge For So Many Things Its Not Funny.

He Uses A Pretty Crispy Cleaner Upper Ended Driven Sound Too.
His Sound Is Based On Wet Dry Wet As Well.
I Have Used A 400 Watt Normal Home Stereo For This
Setup At Times Too. With 600 Watt PA Two Way Speakers.
So I Would Have The Tube Amp Feeding A Few Rack Units.
And Then The Amp Pretty Loud, And The Wet Sound Giving The
Normal Home Stereo A Really Tuned Sound.
Or Just A Fender Princeton Chorus For The Wet Sound
And The Tube Amp With No Effects.
Two Very Simple Wet Dry Wet Set Ups For Cheap.

Eddie Always Tested His Recordings
Like This Too, He Knew To Use This Sound As A Means
Of Making His Sound Heard On A Home Stereo.

I Would Use Stereo Parallel Reverb / Effects Rack Gear Mainly.
If Only Two Rack Units And A Floor Pedal Deturner?
Reverb (small hall, Or Chamber and or a slapback echo)
And Chorus And Some Flange Panned Left And Right.
We All Know His Usage Of Flanging, But Having
This Switchable On One Patch Is Magical.
The Detuner Up Front Is More Magic Of This Setup And Really
Brings Eddies Sound Out. He Used Most Effects As Notch Filtering.
This Is The Most Basic Of Understanding His Sound.

Using The Effects After The Detuner Would Be Set In
Such A Way That Your Amp Is Not Compressing The Harmonics.
Sometimes Not Very Easy To Dial In Due To The Amps Settings.
I Use A Boosted Signal Before The Detuner Most of The Time.
Rather Tricky, But Better To Start Over If One Gets Lost Tweaking.
You Will Know Your In The Right Area, Then The Reverb Brings
Out The "RINGING" Of This

If No Stereo Multi Rack Gear Is Used?
The Digitech 2101 Style of Effects Routing Is A Huge
Means Of Getting His Style Of Harmonics Big Time.

Here Is A Good Over Look Of Effects Routing And Settings.

Detuner set at - 9 cents, AND + 9 cents Left And Right, Maybe Some Slight 16, 32, or 54 MS delay?
This Signal Then Gets Sent To Reverb, Delay (54 MS Or About), Chorus, Flange, in Parallel
I Liked The Delay Sent To The Flange, And The Chorus Sent To The Reverb.
At Least My Amp Really Liked This A Lot For Harmonics.
I Always Use A Floor Booster Pedal Before Anything To Control The
"Clean" Upper Ended BreakUp On The Tubes Front End.
Sometimes I Only Use The Booster On A Clean Channel.

I Can Dive Deeper In This, But This Would Be The Best Starting Point.
This Will Train Your Ears In Ways You Will Learn A Lot From, A Lot Too

A Step Up From This Would Be A Tube Amp Fed By A Palmer
Cab Simulator Or A Different Palmer 100% Dry.
Just Push The Front Of The Amp With A Signal Booster.

Need Two, Three Or More Line Outs From The Palmer
To Feed The Rack Effects In Stereo To A Beefy MOSFET
Or Similar Power Amp Feeding Some Normal Guitar Speakers.
Just Cant Nail This Style of Guitar Effects With Two Signals..
Need Three To Really Get The Rounder Controllable Sound.

You Will Hear The Harmonics And The Feed Back When
You Get The Right Balance Of The Three Signals.

Hearing This In A Lexicon Based Rack Will Bring Tears To Your Eyes
 
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sivad

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From what Ive read Eddie always played super loud and I assume his guitar was just on the verge of feeding back all the time. So harmonics in the studio were no problem for him. Play loud and tap hard with your right index finger...
 
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CLUBTURBO

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One Of The Best Ways I Have Found Is
Using Three Signals Right From The
Amp, One Dry, Two Feeding The Effects.

Splitting The Signal Is Not Easy Sometimes
Due To Misunderstandings Of Line Level Signals
Being Split Uneffected And Strong And Clear.

I Used Three Rack Units Once,
And Maxed Out The Effects Chain
To Have Everything Set Near Where
I Could Get Near The Sound I Wanted
Due To Only Harmonics Ringing

And Turned Off Anything I Didnt Need.
One Patch On Three Racks, Never
Needing To Send Any Program Changes.
I Only Used Two MIDI Continuous Controller
Foot Pedals And Tow Up Was A "Cleaner"
And Tow Down Was Lead Sound.
Backing Off Some Reverbs And Delays
By Setting The MIDI Continuous Controller Settings
Between Tow Up And Down To Clean Up Any Delays
Or Roll Back The Reverbs. Took Some Work.

Why No Program Changing?
Because The Rack Units Had
Been Pushed To The Max And
I Had Zero Delays On Tow Up
And Tow Down Changes..

Also This Left 8 Or So Foot Switches
To Use For Really Making Changes To
Get Other Sounds I Wanted Besides
The Harmonics Ringing Clear(er).

MIDI Program Changes Had Been A
Tough Effort On Effects CPU Usage,
And Not Changing Patches Let The
Continuous Controller Really Push
The Effects Units With No Delays.

And Some Rack Units Really Like
Using The Same Patches Across
A Few Very Different Real Time
Continuous Controller Settings.

And Some Rack Units Are Buffered
On Programs Changes So We Hear
The Reverbs Trail Off On Complex
Programs Changes, This Eats Up CPU
On The Rack Units, Not So With Just
Using Continuous Controllers.

CPU On Racks Had Been Maxed
Out For Some Mid Grade Effects,
I Just Found A Way To Have A Lot
Of Switches Sending Continuous Controller
Messages IF I wanted To Really Change Sound.

No Patch Change Needed, Freeing Up The CPU Buffer.

Adding To This Was The Fact That When I Called A
Patch On A Rack Unit? It Was Stored With Settings
That The Continuous Controllers Didnt Change Anything
Till I Used One Of The Continuous Controller Pedals.
So I had Three Full Programed Settings On One Patch
That Had Two Full Continuous Controller Pedals Controlling.

If I Had More The One Patch Edited With The Same Effects
But With Different Settings? Changing Patches Let The CPU
Buffer The Same Effects, But Different Settings Only.

This Really Changed My Rack Usage In Many Ways.

These Units Could Help?
But I Have Never Used Them, Not Yet.
I Found Them If I Need Backup.

The Real Magic Of Guitar Tube Audio And Effects.
This Unit Keeps The Amp Sound 100% And Even
Has Tone Shaping With Normal, And Processed
Tube Amp Sounds, Eddie, And Many, Many Others
Used Palmer Audio With Great Success.
Notice The Four Line Outs For Rack Gear
And Just All Around Sonic Control Outboard From Amp.
Palmer Makes Other Trimmed Down Non Rack Gear To Get
Something Near The PDI-03 Too.

But, Most Importantly.
Knowing How To Use A Palmer PDI-03 Is The
Power Play 99.99999% People Miss.
Palmer PDI-03 Is The Magic Of Eddies Sound I Think.
So So many Great Sounds Came From The PDI-03.

A PDI-03 Is Not A Speaker Simulator.
The Main Thing The PDI-03 Is For Is
Taking A Tube Amp Speaker Out,
And Splitting The Signal To 4 Line level Outs
For Feeding Effects Racks And Power Amps.

There Are Two Circuits On The PDI-03.
One Is Line Level And The Other Is The
Speaker Level Out For The Speaker Cabs.

At This Point? The Tube Amp Can Be Set At 10
Using The PDI-03, With No Sound From The Amp
Or Speakers, YOU Can Then If You Like Use The
Speaker Out To Feed The Cabs. And Still Have 4
Line level Signals Feeding Effects OR, OR
Feed This To One More Tube Amp Input
Thus Having A Cranked Up Marshall On 10
At Normal Line level Feeding Tube Amp Number 2.
This Can Hurt Your Amp If You Mess The Cabling Up.

Just Have To Know What Cables Are Feeding What.
The Magic Of This Is Just Jaw Dropping When You Hear It.
I Use The PDI-03 And A PGA-05 But Not At The Same Time.
The PGA Is My Work Horse Over All Because I Have Only
One Tube Amp, With Stereo Effects And Powered Monitors.

Your Basic Wet/Dry/Wet Bradshaw Style Guitar Rack.
The PGA-05 Lets Me Use The Same Circuits As The
PDI-03, And Have Two Cab Sims, With Unaffected
Speaker Through, AND A Really Nice EQ Circuit.

Palmer Designed The PDI-03 Just To Tame A
Pexi Style Amp On 10. This Is What Started
The Crazy Slue Of Rack Guitar Sounds.

No One Else Came Near What Palmer Did
Due To The Fact Bradshaw Made All This
Crazy Engineering Work With Some Simple
Rack Gear, Amp Simulators At The Time
Only Used Your Basic EQ Circuits To Sim A Amp.
Bobby Bradshaw Has A Interview Where He
Tells How All This Unfolded.




Three Way Buffered Splitter.

Axess electronics OTS1 Patch-Box​

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Turns My TSL 602 In To 6 Something Channel Amp. Really Really Fun.
Maybe 9 Channel Amp Once I Learn How To Get The Tube Man Mk II Set Up.
I Have The Tubeman Mk II And A TC Spark In The Tri Mixer, Only.
Really Easy And Fun To Mess With





 
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CLUBTURBO

Member
Tuning to A=432 (Not A=440)
So Set Your Turner To Tune At A=432.

Then Tune To Eb With great accuracy.
I Use SmartChord For Turning and can
see the detail of the cent accuracy.
Setting The SmartChord Turner To Advanced
As To See More Cent Bars On The Turning Screen.

This is How To Tune Over All.
So Then Tune To Normal Eb As Per A=432,
Then tune down -9 cents.

This Is The Full List of Tunings Per String.

Eb = -9 cent (Small E String)
Bb = -9 cent
Gb = -3 cent
Db = -1 cent
Ab = normal for Ab at A=432
Eb = normal for Eb at A=432 (Fat E String)

A Few Songs Ed Tunes D,G,B Perfectly
As To Remove The Dissonance With Inversions.
Some Inversions On Guitar Sound Really Crappy
Especially If Really Loud And Can Cancel Sounds We Want.
A Touch Of Reverb Or Chorus Can Help The Dissidents As Well



The SmartChord App Works On Android
But Has A Small Little Screen To View
Cents As We Tune



 
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DonLduk

Member
Just to clarify: The 12th fret harmonic will always be in tune with the open string. That's just physics. But the fretted note at the 12th is the one that we use to set the intonation. Other than that I totally agree.
 

ccn

Well-known member
From what Ive read Eddie always played super loud and I assume his guitar was just on the verge of feeding back all the time. So harmonics in the studio were no problem for him. Play loud and tap hard with your right index finger...

Eddie did play extremely loud and used very very minimal effects compared to most of his peers . Joe Satriani talked about it recently when discussing his views on modeling .
 

panhead

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Eddie did play extremely loud and used very very minimal effects compared to most of his peers . Joe Satriani talked about it recently when discussing his views on modeling .
Whats he modeling now bras or panties?
 
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