EVH, I don't get it...

[stephen sawall]

I see in here several times Ed being a innovator ???
I can not think of anything Ed did that others did not do before Ed.
Can anyone name anything Ed did that someone before him did not do ? Anything ?

 

[BYTOR]

There was no one who sounded like him period. The tapping,divebombs,screaming harmonics(don't care that he wasn't the first, because no one before him took it even close to the level he did). His tone,phrasing and swing were groundbreaking at the time. His solo and rhythm playing was phenomenal and he just had that one in a billion guitar mojo shit going on. Period.
Stop over thinking something that is a no brainer. Eddie changed the face of rock guitar, any of the worlds best known rock guitar players will tell you this without fail. Move on.

 

[JakeAC5253]

I see in here several times Ed being a innovator ???
I can not think of anything Ed did that others did not do before Ed.
Can anyone name anything Ed did that someone before him did not do ? Anything ?

Probably the thing where he trills two notes and runs his thumb down the string. Maybe tapped harmonics as well? But not the things that he is usually associated with inventing I think.

 

[Ventura]

I see in here several times Ed being a innovator ???
I can not think of anything Ed did that others did not do before Ed.
Can anyone name anything Ed did that someone before him did not do ? Anything ?

EVH with DLR as the kickman in front, it was the whole package... As mentioned WAY ago in this thread, I'm about EVH overall - I think he's great, awesome, etc. - but not material. Personal preferences and tastes, ya know?? But ya, a lot of people before Ed did stuff that Ed did, and some claim "innovated" or "invented". I think it's more that he ended up being a melting pot for a lot of cool stylistic approaches and tricks on the axe, and put it together with a very remarkable and notably different sound "heavy rock", and had a killer showman up front boostin' the crowd (and DLR's voice was extremely palatable for R'n'R, no doubt about it). So the delivery was more the function of success than its intrinsic parts.

If that makes sense.
V.

 

[stephen sawall]

There was no one who sounded like him period. The tapping,divebombs,screaming harmonics(don't care that he wasn't the first, because no one before him took it even close to the level he did). His tone,phrasing and swing were groundbreaking at the time. His solo and rhythm playing was phenomenal and he just had that one in a billion guitar mojo shit going on. Period.
Stop over thinking something that is a no brainer. Eddie changed the face of rock guitar, any of the worlds best known rock guitar players will tell you this without fail. Move on.

If this is a reply to my question .... I did not see anything you say about him being a innovator ? That was the question ....as I would like to know.

I do not disagree with what you are saying. As far as no one sounding like him .... no one really sounds like anyone else, that is not unique to Ed at all. Even people in tribute bands of whatever band never really sound like who they are imitating. Even if some do get close. People that sound like other people are more unusual than people that do. Pretty much everyone to some degree has their own sound and phrasing.

 

[stephen sawall]

I see in here several times Ed being a innovator ???
I can not think of anything Ed did that others did not do before Ed.
Can anyone name anything Ed did that someone before him did not do ? Anything ?

Probably the thing where he trills two notes and runs his thumb down the string. Maybe tapped harmonics as well? But not the things that he is usually associated with inventing I think.

Nope

 

[stephen sawall]

I see in here several times Ed being a innovator ???
I can not think of anything Ed did that others did not do before Ed.
Can anyone name anything Ed did that someone before him did not do ? Anything ?

EVH with DLR as the kickman in front, it was the whole package... As mentioned WAY ago in this thread, I'm about EVH overall - I think he's great, awesome, etc. - but not material. Personal preferences and tastes, ya know?? But ya, a lot of people before Ed did stuff that Ed did, and some claim "innovated" or "invented". I think it's more that he ended up being a melting pot for a lot of cool stylistic approaches and tricks on the axe, and put it together with a very remarkable and notably different sound "heavy rock", and had a killer showman up front boostin' the crowd (and DLR's voice was extremely palatable for R'n'R, no doubt about it). So the delivery was more the function of success than its intrinsic parts.

If that makes sense.
V.

Once again I do not disagree .... but does not answer my question at all.

 

[supersonic]

I see in here several times Ed being a innovator ???
I can not think of anything Ed did that others did not do before Ed.
Can anyone name anything Ed did that someone before him did not do ? Anything ?

Listen to "Summer Nights" or "Get Up", He's using a Steinberger Transtrem, show me another guitar track prior like those? Oh and the D-Tuna, that's inovation right there.

 

[Mauler]

I 2nd what supersonic says above me. This is a stupid argument, in all actuality, Eddie rocked then and still could today if he put his mind to it.

 

[bsp01]

I see in here several times Ed being a innovator ???
I can not think of anything Ed did that others did not do before Ed.
Can anyone name anything Ed did that someone before him did not do ? Anything ?

I think you should reverse these.

Can you think of anyone who sounded like Eddie, before Eddie?
Can you think of anyone who did things like Eddie, before Eddie?

You can't, because there wasn't. Maybe someone did the tapping thing or played certain patterns like Eddie, but they didn't do it the way he did, or make it sound the way he did.

 

[tweed]

Can anyone name anything Ed did that someone before him did not do ? Anything ?

Valerie?

 

[Anonymous]

I see in here several times Ed being a innovator ???
I can not think of anything Ed did that others did not do before Ed.
Can anyone name anything Ed did that someone before him did not do ? Anything ?

Perhaps you should investigate the meaning of innovation:

"Innovation comes from the Latin innovationem, noun of action from innovare. The Etymology Dictionary further explains innovare as dating back to 1540 and stemming from the Latin innovatus, pp. of innovare "to renew or change," from in- "into" + novus "new".

Innovation can therefore be seen as the process that renews or improves something that exists and not, as is commonly assumed, the introduction of something better...

The central meaning of innovation thus relates to renewal or improvement. Novelty is just a consequence of improvement."

By this definition, he was certainly an innovator.

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

Can anyone name anything Ed did that someone before him did not do ? Anything ?

Valerie?

Oh... I seriously doubt that...

Steve

 

[Lord Toneking]

The magic is in those stripes man! ...it's in the stripes

stripes trump polka dots everytime


just sayin..

 

[MisterBulbous]

Regardless of the semantics (innovation, invention)...here's a few things that come to mind.

- Worked with some guy named Floyd Rose and popularized the double-locking tremolo
- Popularized the super-charged cover song style (You Really Got Me, Ice Cream Man, etc…)
- Popularized two-handed tapping (which of course, he didn’t invent)
- Popularized e-flat (near) tuning (which of course, he didn’t invent)
- Popularized slack tuning (try and play Unchained, Running W/Devil, Dance the Night away without it, and sound like crap)
- Popularized humbuckers in strat-type bodies
- Popularized do-it-yourself guitar modifications – stripes, one volume knob, no tone knob, etc.
- Popularized syncopated echo repeats / volume swells (Women in Love, Cathedral)
- Popularized artist / supplier collaborations (Kramer,Peavey 5150, Music Man, Floyd Rose, Fender, etc.)
- Popularized extreme whammy abuse and intentions to stay in tune (no offense to ULI the master!)
- Popularized using simple effects (phase/flange) to generate rhythmic value (Atomic Punk, Everybody wants some)
- Re-popularized the blatant concert guitar solo (a'la Page)
- Re-popularized guitar magazines (Guitar World, Guitar for the Practicing Musician, Guitar Shop, etc.)
- Popularized hot-rodded amps.
- Popularized the variac voltage regulator.
- Help rock music over take disco (although Rolling Stone magazine called VH2 as creative as the title)
- Popularized the attraction towards stage presence for guitarists (no offense Mr. Townshend, Mr Young)
- Popularized the trans-trem Steinberger tremolo
- Popularized the D-Tuna device
- Popularized the wireless guitar devices (I think?), though he always fought with them.
- Minimized overdubs, rhythm during solo’s (and few could pull this off – Vito came close).
- Introduced the Kramer Ripley Stereo guitar (obviously went nowhere)
- Oh yeah...that cool lower neck trill thing with the palm hitting octave harmonics.
- Popularized Spanish Fly. I mean, I didn't know what it really was until I heard the song.

 

[jabps]

I see in here several times Ed being a innovator ???
I can not think of anything Ed did that others did not do before Ed.
Can anyone name anything Ed did that someone before him did not do ? Anything ?

Perhaps you should investigate the meaning of innovation:

"Innovation comes from the Latin innovationem, noun of action from innovare. The Etymology Dictionary further explains innovare as dating back to 1540 and stemming from the Latin innovatus, pp. of innovare "to renew or change," from in- "into" + novus "new".

Innovation can therefore be seen as the process that renews or improves something that exists and not, as is commonly assumed, the introduction of something better...

The central meaning of innovation thus relates to renewal or improvement. Novelty is just a consequence of improvement."

By this definition, he was certainly an innovator.

Steve

Good post. What Ed did was the very same thing Jimi did a decade ealier...take what had been done and expand exponentially on it. That is innovative. However for people to focus simply on the six strings is a bit shortsighted. The Beatles changed a whole generation...Jimi and Ed did that to the guitar playing community (from media to music) and completely reinvigorated and redefined a dying genre. I just don't think some people comprehend that thought. As I had said in another post above...this goes beyond personal preference these guys changed the "whole" whether you like them or not.

 

[Rogue]

Can anyone name anything Ed did that someone before him did not do ? Anything ?

Played guitar like that? It's like Hendrix, he didn't invent any particular technique, he just did things with them that no one did before him, and did them way cool.

 

[Rogue]

One of the guitar magazine's at the turn of the century had the 100 best guitar players of the 20th century. It wasn't a contest for the number 1 spot, just some info on the players. In regards to Eddie, it said you have to accept a few things...

1) You will never sound as cool as Eddie Van Halen on guitar.
2) You will never look as cool as Eddie Van Halen holding a guitar.

Pretty much.

 

[Steinmetzify]

For my opinion, I think it's a generational thing......either you were alive and appreciative of something that had never been done before, or you weren't. I'm a huge EVH fan, but since I was born in '74 I'm not that big of a Hendrix fan. Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate what he and the Beatles did, and the way that they helped the progression of the music we like, but I wasn't there.
I think a lot of people experience music autobiographically, and trying to relate to something you were born years after it was released is hard. So my main influences are the things I grew up listening to i.e. VH, early Metallica, Slayer, Pantera, Anthrax, Suicidal Tendencies, Fleetwood Mac, James Taylor, Dream Theater.....whatever was around and accessible to me at the time when music really started to infect me.
Don't worry about it. Either you'll hear something and it'll resonate, or it won't and it won't bother you.


Stein

 

[mixohoytian]

I see in here several times Ed being a innovator ???
I can not think of anything Ed did that others did not do before Ed.
Can anyone name anything Ed did that someone before him did not do ? Anything ?

EVH with DLR as the kickman in front, it was the whole package... As mentioned WAY ago in this thread, I'm about EVH overall - I think he's great, awesome, etc. - but not material. Personal preferences and tastes, ya know?? But ya, a lot of people before Ed did stuff that Ed did, and some claim "innovated" or "invented". I think it's more that he ended up being a melting pot for a lot of cool stylistic approaches and tricks on the axe, and put it together with a very remarkable and notably different sound "heavy rock", and had a killer showman up front boostin' the crowd (and DLR's voice was extremely palatable for R'n'R, no doubt about it). So the delivery was more the function of success than its intrinsic parts.

If that makes sense.
V.

Once again I do not disagree .... but does not answer my question at all.

your questions aren't the right questions

the real question is:
what happened before the big bang?

the answer is...
no one knows what happened before the big bang