EVH talking about Randy

[Kapo_Polenton]

Setting aside their abilities as guitarists and viewing them solely as people, the more I read about both Eddie and Randy, the more I think that Eddie just wasn’t a very nice dude at all. Seems he was “polite” and had that boyish smile on whenever he was in the spotlight, but a lot of things he did to the people he played with were just...bad. On the other hand, Randy seems to have been a genuinely nice and humble person. I’ve never read anyone say otherwise. Closest I’ve seen in his bassist from QR when he said they used to get into fist fights with each other. But even then, that doesn’t come close to malicious, mean, or dirty, like some of the things I’ve read about Eddie.

All of that is totally aside from their abilities as guitarists. Comparing them to each other is just futile. Totally different players, totally different vibes, both both trailblazers and immutable, timeless. We were so fortunate to have them both.

Except that Randy enjoyed playing a particular joke on women. He enjoyed peeing into a drink, and then asking women to taste it... Does this taste okay to you? He also liked peeing on people (as they walked-by) from the balcony of his hotel room. I have mixed feelings, obviously.

All these guys were young...when you have too much fun and access when you are young, you do stupid shit. ..like go up in planes with guys who are blitzed on cocaine.

 

[shredhead7]

In reading books on VH and interviews, there was another LA guy named Terry, the last name escapes me. He and Eddie were the guys in their circle. In VH Rising, it's said that Terry showed Eddie the tapping thing, but that Eddie took it and moved it around. Meaning, the tap shown to Eddie was just the right hand to left hand, like a trill, Eddie added the left hand pull offs and hammer ons to get the full arpegios.

Lynch has also mentioned Terry in interviews, saying he was the guy. Does anyone know who this guy is and are there any recordings of him?

 

[shredhead7]

Ripped off licks or not, RR is an icon. He also had an incredible stage presence. Malmsteen from the moment he hit the scene was also untouchable. Watch those old Alcatrazz live shows. That guy sold his soul to the devil, Effortless.

Well said about Yngwie. It's hard to explain to the younger generation just how godly Yngwie was when he came out of nowhere. Just complete control, with no fear. Like Eddie, he had a feel and phrasing that was natural.

 

[sytharnia1560]

In reading books on VH and interviews, there was another LA guy named Terry, the last name escapes me. He and Eddie were the guys in their circle. In VH Rising, it's said that Terry showed Eddie the tapping thing, but that Eddie took it and moved it around. Meaning, the tap shown to Eddie was just the right hand to left hand, like a trill, Eddie added the left hand pull offs and hammer ons to get the full arpegios.

Lynch has also mentioned Terry in interviews, saying he was the guy. Does anyone know who this guy is and are there any recordings of him?

Terry Kilgore I think his name is

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

In reading books on VH and interviews, there was another LA guy named Terry, the last name escapes me. He and Eddie were the guys in their circle. In VH Rising, it's said that Terry showed Eddie the tapping thing, but that Eddie took it and moved it around. Meaning, the tap shown to Eddie was just the right hand to left hand, like a trill, Eddie added the left hand pull offs and hammer ons to get the full arpegios.

Lynch has also mentioned Terry in interviews, saying he was the guy. Does anyone know who this guy is and are there any recordings of him?

Terry Kilgore I think his name is

Yup, I posted this a week back I think... he has the swing and riffs. Sounds like Ace Frehley on steroids who all of a sudden can rip lol. No question as to the influence. Listen to the clip below. Right down to the feedback. He just uses less gain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5D1nmGOhC8

 

[stanz]

Ripped off licks or not, RR is an icon. He also had an incredible stage presence. Malmsteen from the moment he hit the scene was also untouchable. Watch those old Alcatrazz live shows. That guy sold his soul to the devil, Effortless.

Well said about Yngwie. It's hard to explain to the younger generation just how godly Yngwie was when he came out of nowhere. Just complete control, with no fear. Like Eddie, he had a feel and phrasing that was natural.

The first time I heard Yngwie was with "Steeler" in the early 80's. Mind-blowing!

 

[crankyrayhanky]

FWIW, one of my buds met EVH at a dog vet. Spent lots of time just hanging out and chatting. So I am sure he had his moments (especially if you're Fred Durst), but there's plenty of great stories of Eddie being very humble and cool.

 

[guitarmike]

Setting aside their abilities as guitarists and viewing them solely as people, the more I read about both Eddie and Randy, the more I think that Eddie just wasn’t a very nice dude at all. Seems he was “polite” and had that boyish smile on whenever he was in the spotlight, but a lot of things he did to the people he played with were just...bad. On the other hand, Randy seems to have been a genuinely nice and humble person. I’ve never read anyone say otherwise. Closest I’ve seen in his bassist from QR when he said they used to get into fist fights with each other. But even then, that doesn’t come close to malicious, mean, or dirty, like some of the things I’ve read about Eddie.

All of that is totally aside from their abilities as guitarists. Comparing them to each other is just futile. Totally different players, totally different vibes, both both trailblazers and immutable, timeless. We were so fortunate to have them both.

Except that Randy enjoyed playing a particular joke on women. He enjoyed peeing into a drink, and then asking women to taste it... Does this taste okay to you? He also liked peeing on people (as they walked-by) from the balcony of his hotel room. I have mixed feelings, obviously.

All these guys were young...when you have too much fun and access when you are young, you do stupid shit. ..like go up in planes with guys who are blitzed on cocaine.

We forget these were young men with little life experience and all of a sudden they are being treated as gods, worshipped wherever they go, anything they say is gospel. That is tough to deal with at any age but you can see how this messes people up, sometimes to the point of drugging yourself to death.
If honest most of us dreamed of being at that level, I am pretty sure I would not have been able to handle it.

 

[panhead]

Ed borrowed a lot from Rev. Billy Gibbons.

 

[stanz]

Setting aside their abilities as guitarists and viewing them solely as people, the more I read about both Eddie and Randy, the more I think that Eddie just wasn’t a very nice dude at all. Seems he was “polite” and had that boyish smile on whenever he was in the spotlight, but a lot of things he did to the people he played with were just...bad. On the other hand, Randy seems to have been a genuinely nice and humble person. I’ve never read anyone say otherwise. Closest I’ve seen in his bassist from QR when he said they used to get into fist fights with each other. But even then, that doesn’t come close to malicious, mean, or dirty, like some of the things I’ve read about Eddie.

All of that is totally aside from their abilities as guitarists. Comparing them to each other is just futile. Totally different players, totally different vibes, both both trailblazers and immutable, timeless. We were so fortunate to have them both.

Except that Randy enjoyed playing a particular joke on women. He enjoyed peeing into a drink, and then asking women to taste it... Does this taste okay to you? He also liked peeing on people (as they walked-by) from the balcony of his hotel room. I have mixed feelings, obviously.

All these guys were young...when you have too much fun and access when you are young, you do stupid shit. ..like go up in planes with guys who are blitzed on cocaine.

We forget these were young men with little life experience and all of a sudden they are being treated as gods, worshipped wherever they go, anything they say is gospel. That is tough to deal with at any age but you can see how this messes people up, sometimes to the point of drugging yourself to death.
If honest most of us dreamed of being at that level, I am pretty sure I would not have been able to handle it.

Only those with no regard for their own well-being die as a result of alcohol and/or drug use. Most deceased players (who died as a result of drug abuse) were using long before hitting it big.

Alive and thriving:

Ritchie Blackmore
Michael Schenker
Keith Richards
Jeff Beck
Jimmy Page
Joe Walsh
Lindsey Buckingham
Mick Taylor
Alex Lifeson
Andy Summers
Nels Cline
Robbie Kreiger
John Frusciante
Richard Thompson
John McLaughlin
Duane Eddy
Dickey Betts
Stephen Stills
Mark Knopfler
Billy Gibbons
Ry Cooder
Yngwie Malmsteen
George Lynch
Warren DiMartini
Jake E. Lee

The list goes on...

Except for Jimi Hendrix and few others, the majority of those who have passed did not die of self-abuse. Old age, drowning, cancer, car/plane crash took out most of them, not drugs. Kurt Cobain was murdered, IMO.

 

[romanianreaper]

Maybe Randy met him and was just being nice and said something like "I learned all of my playing from watching you", etc. and Ed took that as gospel so to speak. Randy sounds completely different than Ed as mentioned. I agree about the rivalry stuff too that was talked about. Chris Holmes did say that you picked a camp, either VH or QR back then.

 

[romanianreaper]

Alive and thriving:

Ritchie Blackmore
Michael Schenker
Keith Richards
Jeff Beck
Jimmy Page
Joe Walsh
Lindsey Buckingham
Mick Taylor
Alex Lifeson
Andy Summers
Nels Cline
Robbie Kreiger
John Frusciante
Richard Thompson
John McLaughlin
Duane Eddy
Dickey Betts
Stephen Stills
Mark Knopfler
Billy Gibbons
Ry Cooder
Yngwie Malmsteen
George Lynch
Warren DiMartini
Jake E. Lee

The list goes on...

Except for Jimi Hendrix and few others, the majority of those who have passed did not die of self-abuse. Old age, drowning, cancer, car/plane crash took out most of them, not drugs. Kurt Cobain was murdered, IMO.

There are a few on that list that are damn lucky to be here. Frusciante is one that comes to mind. Jake E. Lee had his drug period and nearly disappeared completely there for awhile. Glad he is back. Joe Walsh was messed up big time too. I just saw an old interview with him and that dude was jacked up.

Keith Richards, what more can you say? I mean if they make jokes about you surviving a nuke or that people are going to smoke his ashes to get high after he dies, you know you got a real issue with substance abuse. LOL.

 

[stanz]

Maybe Randy met him and was just being nice and said something like "I learned all of my playing from watching you", etc. and Ed took that as gospel so to speak. Randy sounds completely different than Ed as mentioned. I agree about the rivalry stuff too that was talked about. Chris Holmes did say that you picked a camp, either VH or QR back then.

Randy's compositions became an obssession with me. If I was listening to music, Randy's playing was on the list. I sort-of lost interest in Ed with the release of Diver Down. His "Beat-It" solo sealed the deal. I loved Ed's guitar tones up to 1984. What he was using for amplification on 5150 forward, I don't know? I'm not a fan of his Hagar era tone at all. His tone on "Me Wise Magic" and "Can't Get This Stuff No More" is excellent! I assume those are old recordings?

 

[romanianreaper]

Maybe Randy met him and was just being nice and said something like "I learned all of my playing from watching you", etc. and Ed took that as gospel so to speak. Randy sounds completely different than Ed as mentioned. I agree about the rivalry stuff too that was talked about. Chris Holmes did say that you picked a camp, either VH or QR back then.

Randy's compositions became an obssession with me. If I was listening to music, Randy's playing was on the list. I sort-of lost interest in Ed with the release of Diver Down. His "Beat-It" solo sealed the deal. I loved Ed's guitar tones up to 1984. What he was using for amplification on 5150 forward, I don't know? I'm not a fan of his Hagar era tone at all. His tone on "Me Wise Magic" and "Can't Get This Stuff No More" is excellent! I assume those are old recordings?

"Me Wise Magic" and "Can't Get This Stuff No More" were new recordings believe it or not. They thru those together to put on the Greatest Hits package and then DLR did his usual DLR stuff and they broke up.

I'm able to compartment DLR-era Eddie from Sammy-era for some reason and actually like the tones for different reasons.

 

[stanz]

Maybe Randy met him and was just being nice and said something like "I learned all of my playing from watching you", etc. and Ed took that as gospel so to speak. Randy sounds completely different than Ed as mentioned. I agree about the rivalry stuff too that was talked about. Chris Holmes did say that you picked a camp, either VH or QR back then.

Randy's compositions became an obssession with me. If I was listening to music, Randy's playing was on the list. I sort-of lost interest in Ed with the release of Diver Down. His "Beat-It" solo sealed the deal. I loved Ed's guitar tones up to 1984. What he was using for amplification on 5150 forward, I don't know? I'm not a fan of his Hagar era tone at all. His tone on "Me Wise Magic" and "Can't Get This Stuff No More" is excellent! I assume those are old recordings?

"Me Wise Magic" and "Can't Get This Stuff No More" were new recordings believe it or not. They thru those together to put on the Greatest Hits package and then DLR did his usual DLR stuff and they broke up.

I'm able to compartment DLR-era Eddie from Sammy-era for some reason and actually like the tones for different reasons.

That's cool! I didn't know they actually recorded material for that album. I'm not digging the chorusing, but they do have that early VH undercurrent.