FEDS Raid Gibson Factories

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Fuck the racist blathering... Jokes are jokes, and nothing bad was said, move along.

Now, back to the real deal, any updates on this actual Gibby raid scene?? Are they finding the contraband they had intended to? Was it wood related, false "MADE IN USA" claims, illegal mahogany or rosewood??

Thanks!!
Mojo
 
Ventura":1uann9cq said:
Fuck the racist blathering... Jokes are jokes, and nothing bad was said, move along.

Now, back to the real deal, any updates on this actual Gibby raid scene?? Are they finding the contraband they had intended to? Was it wood related, false "MADE IN USA" claims, illegal mahogany or rosewood??

Thanks!!
Mojo

Affidavit filed in regards to obtaining the search warrant.

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wtvf/PDF ... idavit.pdf

It basically states that India doesn't allow Indian Rosewood to be exported in widths over 6mm, and that anyone importing Indian Rosewood blanks to manufacturer fretboards in the United States is doing so illegally.

It's also states that Gibson falsified documents to state that the blanks were actually veneers of less than 6mm thick.

India allows the export of Indian Rosewood veneers.

They also allow the export of Indian Rosewood over 6mm thick provided it is finished in India. So it is legal to import finished fretboards and not fretboard blanks. Unfortunately, the fretboard has to be on the neck to be finshed.
 
Jordon":34j6elkk said:
Don't get me wrong, I don't think US jobs should be handed out to people in other countries like candy on Halloween, but I also don't think the racist remarks are needed, either.
It's bleeding heart, pussy attitudes like yours that suck the fun out of the party. Lighten up...it was simply a slightly off-color joke that meant no harm. To go as far as to call it rascist is a real stretch but I see how you can take it there if you're looking for it.

The pussification of America...nobody should be able to say or do anything that might remotely offend somebody else. Weak. :thumbsdown:
 
I apologize for derailing the conversation. But, I would like to know who /what passed the government off enough to take this type of step.

the worst part is after the raid in 09, Gibson still has not gotten their seized property back.

Didn't mean ANY offence. I apologize much for any offence that was taken and will keep my humor to myself from here on out.
 
Digital Jams":kotuh8r3 said:
danyeo":kotuh8r3 said:
I like what someone said on TGP.



Seriously, if the fretboard wood made any difference to the tone or the feel, wouldn't every Gibson Standard sound and feel funny only on the notes that fell on those big honking plastic fret markers?

Do not get me started with the magic ear'd guys that are making claims of hearing different woods playing highgain..........shit they are calling they can name the COUNTRY the shit came from :lol: :LOL:

Yes, but you have to play it through a Dumble (or outrageously expensive clone) or an original Trainwreck to be able to do that.

:lol: :LOL:
 
Really hope this doesn’t mean the Firebird X will be delayed even more.

gibson-guitar-employee-firebird-x-460-100-460-70.jpg


Or not..
 
It seems that the issue with Gibson is not so much the wood (which was obtained legally), but that people other than authorized indigenous people are doing the woodworking. So that even if you prove you obtained the wood legally, you would have to also prove it was crafted by the authorized people in the country of origin. I guess it's illegal for Americans to have a manufacturing job. NAFTA was just the start (Thanks Al Gore and all you Free Traders sell outs on the Left and Right ). Now this will go after some of the remaining straggler jobs that didn't get outsourced.

This law is retroactive. My mom has a Steinway from the 1920's with Ivory, and from what I'm hearing, people who have vintage gear, and even furniture could have it seized.
I wonder if they will be visiting Neil Young or Eddie Vedder's place and seizing any of their vintage stuff? Neil Young...Old man Look at your Gear... It's about to get taken. Or will they get a Temporary Obama buddy waiver like with health care till after the election before they get thrown under the bus too.

Whoever signed us up for this shit needs to be tarred and feathered.
Thanks for sending out the goons Obama.. He could stop this by executive order.
If he doesn't, this will not not help his reelection. I can imagine the TV ads.
I can imagine Musicians (many who supported Obama) turning on him over this.
This is not a politically smart move.

Of all the things to spend tax dollars on when we are broke. :thumbsdown: :doh:
 
A company that is American, Non union, successful, doesn't take government money, doesn't contribute to BHO or Dems, employs thousands, conforms to American and Independent world protection business practices and is raided more than once and never charged, b/c an interpretation by our justice department of an other countries vague law. Costing millions to continue doing business.

Solar company touted by our president and assured by our vice president takes 535 BILLION of american tax payer dollars prior to a financial audit, looses over 60 million in 1 year, can't sell there stock, closes it's headquaters and moves over 1000 jobs to China without raising the justice department's eyebrow.

I hate what this administration is doing business and to our country.

It's getting harder to not vocally rip anyone for supporting this administration.

If You don't support what these policies are doing to this country and YOU voted for BHO? YOU need to be the most vocal about stopping him from ruining this country. I'm tired of the,"well I thought it would be cool to have a black president" excuse. Really? When you say that, to me, is just stating "I don't care about content of character, just color of the skin" showing how important racial motives are to you.

If I make a mistake and it hurts someone I need to be responsible for that damage and be a part of making it right!
 
Stop making sense!

j/k. I agree. Look at what the administration does / doesn't do with a political lens, clearly they are promoting their agenda and will use all aspects of the Federal government apparatus at their disposal. While most admins do this to some degree, career politicians all, this is the first administration that seems to have an anti-American streak in their agenda though, well, since Carter at least in my lifetime.

I recall someone comparing the forced dealership closing for Chrysler and GM during the government oversight takeover and political donations of the owners,...and that some successful dealerships were closed and some struggling dealerships remained...

This site is always fun: http://www.followthemoney.org

as is this, but on a different topic:

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

IMO.
YMMV.

johnnysdred":krh6fmv9 said:
A company that is American, Non union, successful, doesn't take government money, doesn't contribute to BHO or Dems, employs thousands, conforms to American and Independent world protection business practices and is raided more than once and never charged, b/c an interpretation by our justice department of an other countries vague law. Costing millions to continue doing business.

Solar company touted by our president and assured by our vice president takes 535 BILLION of american tax payer dollars prior to a financial audit, looses over 60 million in 1 year, can't sell there stock, closes it's headquaters and moves over 1000 jobs to China without raising the justice department's eyebrow.

I hate what this administration is doing business and to our country.

It's getting harder to not vocally rip anyone for supporting this administration.

If You don't support what these policies are doing to this country and YOU voted for BHO? YOU need to be the most vocal about stopping him from ruining this country. I'm tired of the,"well I thought it would be cool to have a black president" excuse. Really? When you say that, to me, is just stating "I don't care about content of character, just color of the skin" showing how important racial motives are to you.

If I make a mistake and it hurts someone I need to be responsible for that damage and be a part of making it right!
 
Find out which guitar company did give campaign money to Obama and you'll have your answer as to why Gibson was raided.
 
Actually I think this is more of the same from the thugs running the white house and them handpicking companies to harass.

why Gibson and not the other builders that do the same thing?

gibson is:

1. a Non-Union shop
2. Employes American workers
3. Symbol of "america" on every stage around the world
4. run by a CEO that is a "vocal" Republican

In reality, if Gibson does the following - their troubles will immediately go away

1. turn their factories into Union shops
2. employee illegal aliens
3. Trash america every opportunity they get
4. Support the Democratic Party
5. Give "protection" sorry I meant donations to democratic party

In another interview, Henry J told Glen Beck that he was told if he moved some of his operations overseas -- some of his troubles would go away. the move could mean the loss of another 1,200 plus American jobs.

You can find link to interview in this thread: http://www.boutiquegeartalk.com/cave/1425-4.htm


harddriver":1anig7ga said:
OldSkoolNJ":1anig7ga said:
Dam no wonder Eric Holder and the D.O.J. can't take care of important stuff they have been having to deal with this type of b.s.

Yes instead of dealing with our failing economy, LET's go after the few remaining American companies who haven't relocated overseas and mess with them and maybe the American government can cause these businesses to fail and add some more people to the unemployment lines! :doh:

BRILLIANT SIMPLY BRILLIANT! :thumbsdown:
 
Or Gibson can move to the Free trade Zone between the US and Mexico and say fuck you federal government where they would be safe from these unelected bureaucrats like Holder and his Nazi goons there, but it cost to relocate.

If I was a liberal Democrat voter, I would really think about what that means. From it's origins it has to do with liberty, and freedom of coercion. These acts have nothing to do with classic liberalism (which is more inline with a modern libertarian)
Being a liberal should mean more than just being legalizing drug, for sexual liberalism to do whatever you want, but only against wars, global interventionism, and invasions of privacy and property rights when the other party is in charge, but then go silent when your guy does the same shit ...even worse.

We should be mindful of an over reaching government no matter who is in charge. We either have property rights or we don't.
 
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