Fender to Marshall to Bogner connection

[jlbaxe]

I have a 101b Classic that I gig with regularly. My practice rig is a HR Deville with a RED and BLUE. I also use the same RED and Blue into a '66 Fender Bandmaster at a local rehearsal studio. To me there really is no comparison. Fenders have a rich ambient full clean tone and I can not get the same clean tone out of my XTC. Everything I've read says the 101b has a fender circuit for the green channel. If it does then the core difference must be the tubes. The 101b has EL34's and I believe the green channel suffers because of them.

This is from memory, but all you have to do is this:

Put the mids at 10:00. I think the bright switch is set to B1. Dime the gain, and use the overall volume for volume. Of course, the power section isn't a Fender's, as it's a Plexi type in regard to filtering with EL34's. The OT is based off of a 2668 Dagnal.

The Classic's clean isn't a Fender-based preamp. It's a different animal altogether.

Yeah B1 on the bright switch, Presence turned all the way down, Volume turned all the way up and Gain used as a Master volume. Pretty good clean sound, but still not a Fender

I have the 20th A XTC with 6l6 and get the Fender tone. Dime the master vol and use the gain as the master vol. I wouldn't get rid of my Bogner for a Fender, but could be happy with a Fender Twin and pedals.

I like the Fender Twin clean. Keep a Fender, pedals are cheaper to experiment with. I would get the Bogner Blue pedal and a Plexi pedal. I think Wampler and Carl Martin have great plexi pedals.

I have a Mesa Mk III with a decent clean but not Fender.

The cheaper way would be to get a 5150 series amp. Ted Nudgent went from fenders to the 5150 series because he could play lower volumes and save his 1 good ear They are kind of a copy of the xtc with peavy and evh tweaks.

 

[Hollis]

A Mesa/Boogie Electra Dyne is the answer. It has an American style power section, coupled with a Fender clean channel and you've got some authentic Fender cleans. I've played a Deluxe Reverb Reissue solely for about 5 years. I used it for home, rehearsals, and gigs. It's been played every day and never had a reliability issue. The reissues are just fine. There's not many amps out there with a better clean. Also, it takes pedals so good. It's hard to beat. But, the Electra Dyne can get the same clean tones and it responds to dirt pedals the same as the DRRi. I've A/B'd them several times. The main difference is the speaker. If I plug the Electra Dyne into the DRRi's Jensen speaker it sounds identical. The Electra Dyne's C90 speaker is great, the Jensen is a bit "crisper".
So, the Electra Dyne has a great clean and huge, lush reverb. But I spend 99%of my time on the Vintage Lo, or the Blue channel. It's basically Boogie's version of a Plexi Marshall. Low to mid gain touch sensitivity that's a dream to play. The Vintage Hi or Red channel is like a modded JCM800. Actually the blue channel boosted with a TS-9 is close to what the Red channel sounds like. I can play a whole gig on the blue channel, using my volume knob to clean up, or all the way up for solos.

 

[C1-ocaster]

I have a 101b Classic that I gig with regularly. My practice rig is a HR Deville with a RED and BLUE. I also use the same RED and Blue into a '66 Fender Bandmaster at a local rehearsal studio. To me there really is no comparison. Fenders have a rich ambient full clean tone and I can not get the same clean tone out of my XTC. Everything I've read says the 101b has a fender circuit for the green channel. If it does then the core difference must be the tubes. The 101b has EL34's and I believe the green channel suffers because of them.

A direct comparison, nice.

So, with the Red pedal into the HR how close or not is the tone and feel compared to the XTC?

I found an awesome deal on another new demo HR DLX III in black and red, looks really cool.
Price difference is nearly $200 LESS.
Still thinking I may like a '65 Deluxe Reverb, or Supersonic 22 over the HR due to the lower power.
I'll have to give the HR more time cause I'm really diggin all the different tones I'm getting.

 

[C1-ocaster]

A Mesa/Boogie Electra Dyne is the answer. It has an American style power section, coupled with a Fender clean channel and you've got some authentic Fender cleans. I've played a Deluxe Reverb Reissue solely for about 5 years. I used it for home, rehearsals, and gigs. It's been played every day and never had a reliability issue. The reissues are just fine. There's not many amps out there with a better clean. Also, it takes pedals so good. It's hard to beat. But, the Electra Dyne can get the same clean tones and it responds to dirt pedals the same as the DRRi. I've A/B'd them several times. The main difference is the speaker. If I plug the Electra Dyne into the DRRi's Jensen speaker it sounds identical. The Electra Dyne's C90 speaker is great, the Jensen is a bit "crisper".
So, the Electra Dyne has a great clean and huge, lush reverb. But I spend 99%of my time on the Vintage Lo, or the Blue channel. It's basically Boogie's version of a Plexi Marshall. Low to mid gain touch sensitivity that's a dream to play. The Vintage Hi or Red channel is like a modded JCM800. Actually the blue channel boosted with a TS-9 is close to what the Red channel sounds like. I can play a whole gig on the blue channel, using my volume knob to clean up, or all the way up for solos.

I would guess the Boogie would be quite a bit more expensive than the HR DLX or even the DLX Reverb?
Since the clean tones are nearly identical, then the main difference is the Boogies better high gain channel?

 

[Hollis]

A new DRRi is about the same as a used Electra Dyne. Yeah, the DRRi is a one trick pony. It only does clean and some mild break up if you crank the volume to very loud levels. It's 22 watts, but it's still very loud. The Electra Dyne has the cleans covered, plus 2 awesome Marshall-esque gain channels. Do some research on it, I think you'll like it. There's almost zero negative comments regarding the Electra Dyne's tones.

 

[Anonymous]

The cheaper way would be to get a 5150 series amp. Ted Nudgent went from fenders to the 5150 series because he could play lower volumes and save his 1 good ear They are kind of a copy of the xtc with peavy and evh tweaks.

Cleans on a 5150 are about the worst I've ever heard
And the circuit was inspired from a SLO-100... sounds nothing like an XTC

As far as the Electradyne goes, you're not going to get Fender cleans and Marshall gain in the same amp, not gonna happen

 

[jlbaxe]

The cheaper way would be to get a 5150 series amp. Ted Nudgent went from fenders to the 5150 series because he could play lower volumes and save his 1 good ear They are kind of a copy of the xtc with peavy and evh tweaks.

Cleans on a 5150 are about the worst I've ever heard
And the circuit was inspired from a SLO-100... sounds nothing like an XTC

As far as the Electradyne goes, you're not going to get Fender cleans and Marshall gain in the same amp, not gonna happen

Ah yeah wrong amp sorry about that.
I'd stick with fender and hold on to your cash

 

[Anonymous]

The cheaper way would be to get a 5150 series amp. Ted Nudgent went from fenders to the 5150 series because he could play lower volumes and save his 1 good ear They are kind of a copy of the xtc with peavy and evh tweaks.

Cleans on a 5150 are about the worst I've ever heard
And the circuit was inspired from a SLO-100... sounds nothing like an XTC

As far as the Electradyne goes, you're not going to get Fender cleans and Marshall gain in the same amp, not gonna happen

Ah yeah wrong amp sorry about that.
I'd stick with fender and hold on to your cash

I juste scored a 5150 block letter in a trade and was surprised how good the crunch channel sounds
Thought Nugent was off his rocker for using a 6505+ (he's indeed off his rocker, for multiple other reasons), makes more sense now. Cranking a Fender Twin is one thing, avoiding collateral damage is another

 

[rcm78]

I have a 101b Classic that I gig with regularly. My practice rig is a HR Deville with a RED and BLUE. I also use the same RED and Blue into a '66 Fender Bandmaster at a local rehearsal studio. To me there really is no comparison. Fenders have a rich ambient full clean tone and I can not get the same clean tone out of my XTC. Everything I've read says the 101b has a fender circuit for the green channel. If it does then the core difference must be the tubes. The 101b has EL34's and I believe the green channel suffers because of them.

A direct comparison, nice.

So, with the Red pedal into the HR how close or not is the tone and feel compared to the XTC?

I found an awesome deal on another new demo HR DLX III in black and red, looks really cool.
Price difference is nearly $200 LESS.
Still thinking I may like a '65 Deluxe Reverb, or Supersonic 22 over the HR due to the lower power.
I'll have to give the HR more time cause I'm really diggin all the different tones I'm getting.

Yeah, I play my practice rig daily and the XTC rig a few times a week. The pedals are very close. The recorded sounds would be pretty much identicle. The feel is what seperates the real amp from the pedals. The amp is more punchy, has a more attack, and may sound a bit more complex. The pedals sound great though and I'd have no problem using my practice rig live.

 

[Hollis]

The cheaper way would be to get a 5150 series amp. Ted Nudgent went from fenders to the 5150 series because he could play lower volumes and save his 1 good ear They are kind of a copy of the xtc with peavy and evh tweaks.

Cleans on a 5150 are about the worst I've ever heard
And the circuit was inspired from a SLO-100... sounds nothing like an XTC

As far as the Electradyne goes, you're not going to get Fender cleans and Marshall gain in the same amp, not gonna happen

The Electra Dyne is an excellent amp. Maybe you should play one and see. American clean, British gain. Pure and simple. True it has an American power section(not just talking about 6L6 vs EL34), not the aggressive Marshall power section. This is as close as you can get, and the results are stellar. Mesa describes as "a leather covered baseball bat, or a velvet hammer". All I can say is try one. There's also the PWE Event Horizon and Suhr PT - 100

 

[Anonymous]

The cheaper way would be to get a 5150 series amp. Ted Nudgent went from fenders to the 5150 series because he could play lower volumes and save his 1 good ear They are kind of a copy of the xtc with peavy and evh tweaks.

Cleans on a 5150 are about the worst I've ever heard
And the circuit was inspired from a SLO-100... sounds nothing like an XTC

As far as the Electradyne goes, you're not going to get Fender cleans and Marshall gain in the same amp, not gonna happen

The Electra Dyne is an excellent amp. Maybe you should play one and see. American clean, British gain. Pure and simple. True it has an American power section(not just talking about 6L6 vs EL34), not the aggressive Marshall power section. This is as close as you can get, and the results are stellar. Mesa describes as "a leather covered baseball bat, or a velvet hammer". All I can say is try one. There's also the PWE Event Horizon and Suhr PT - 100

I'm not bashing the amp, I'm pretty sure it sounds excellent (knowing what Mesa can do) although I've never played one
I also believe you can get different flavors (american, british) in one same amp
But you'll never get exact Fender cleans and exact Marshall crunch from the sampe amp, that's my point. I can also name the Wizard MCII as having some of the best british tones out there with excellent cleans... but still no Fender cleans

 

[shredhead7]

This video makes me salivate. If you're getting this sound right now, why would you want anything else.

 

[C1-ocaster]

This video makes me salivate. If you're getting this sound right now, why would you want anything else.

I can and do get tones very much like that.
And with the Red and Wampler pedals I get even more variety of great distortion tones.

The more I play with this Fender HR DLX and these pedals that more I'm amazed at the tone and feel I'm getting.
Last year I didn't want to get my high gain from pedals, I wanted all amp all the time.
Now I've changed my mind.

My Egnater Vengeance is still pretty darn good. It has excellent clean tones and can do very high gain with the best of them.
But I still wanted something a bit brighter, and a quicker feel/attack.
I'm amazed that I've found this from a low cost Fender amp and 2 great distortion pedals.
The Hot Rod itself is a very touch sensitive amp and that's a major thing that drew me to it.
The distortion pedals just add to that.

I was considering a Fender DLX Reverb reissue, but now I don't think I need it.
I've got great tones right now and I really like them.
My tone chase now is which HR DLX to keep, the one with the standard clear and chimey Celestion speaker, or the tighter and lower bass of the Eminence "the Wizard" speaker.

The one amp I wouldn't mind getting to try out is a Fender Princeton Reverb reissue.
Simplicity, purity, American made.

 

[Joeytpg]

Stay away from the guitar forums and go play your amp. Being around these places too much will fuck up with your head and your ears. Trust me I owned two diezels and a mesa at one point, now I only have a Fender Princeton Reissue and some nice pedals.

 

[Anonymous]

Stay away from the guitar forums and go play your amp. Being around these places too much will fuck up with your head and your ears. Trust me I owned two diezels and a mesa at one point, now I only have a Fender Princeton Reissue and some nice pedals.

RT is evil holmes