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Little known fact about this video. Dino 939 is actually off camera snorting lines while playing the tamberine on perfect beat
Little known fact about this video. Dino 939 is actually off camera snorting lines while playing the tamberine on perfect beat
ZEN Amps
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Ha, gotta be quick! Next time I'll leave more of a gap so you can join in the fun.Aw man. I, a card carrying cell phone recording shit talker, look away from the forums for 10 minutes and miss my chance to give @ZEN Amps a hard time about his (obviously) poorly done cell phone recording only to see the same amp sound absolutely killer in a real clip posted shortly after.
Sounds awesome, Zen! Looking forward to learning more about these things.
Yeah Kevin's great, and has had a lot of much-deserved success - lots of great talent down under.
skoora
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Born in Sydney, raised in Perth but long time Yank now..lol was visiting my Mum, who lives in Melbourne, last October and would take walks up Heidelberg. Also got to catch up with Vietnamese chicken rolls (An Banh Mi) which I was addicted to when living in Seattle. Lot’s of good eats and coffee on that Rd. Then I get to come home to Georgia where it’s back to chain restaurants and Starbucks…?
If I ever move back it will be Melbourne for sure but would have to live far out with how much real estate is there.
saxxamafone
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Dino 939
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Man..I been thinkin’ of you & your
team…,
It was..
GET THE WHIP & play Rawhide in A.
And THEN it hit..,. this near bionic collection of nerves erupted from those Mean Streets,
-that motive to pick up the guitar and change the moment your feet are sitting in..
Capture Amadeus befriending Zen..
(D&D reference)
There’s a massive void that “Bishop” from Aliens
just couldn’t fill….
-he’s churned up a fucking bucket of bolts in the end didn’t “it”?
-It was RIPLEY whom ran that fuckin’
monstrous deck loader.
(The airlock moment..is prove Zen,
Rock-N-Roll….. motherfucker,- lives
without the robots.)
I really like what your doing either way..,
Life is art….live yours in color.
And this one’s for that Leon guy..
-the Iceman on that Telecaster
right up his butt..
-fuck me also,
-look at that showman and the “jigs”
he throws with his eye’s & face
combined with those turbo licks connecting
the love & cadences with humans in the audience.
Capture THAT FIRE.
team…,
It was..
GET THE WHIP & play Rawhide in A.
And THEN it hit..,. this near bionic collection of nerves erupted from those Mean Streets,
-that motive to pick up the guitar and change the moment your feet are sitting in..
Capture Amadeus befriending Zen..
(D&D reference)
There’s a massive void that “Bishop” from Aliens
just couldn’t fill….
-he’s churned up a fucking bucket of bolts in the end didn’t “it”?
-It was RIPLEY whom ran that fuckin’
monstrous deck loader.
(The airlock moment..is prove Zen,
Rock-N-Roll….. motherfucker,- lives
without the robots.)
I really like what your doing either way..,
Life is art….live yours in color.
And this one’s for that Leon guy..
-the Iceman on that Telecaster
right up his butt..
-fuck me also,
-look at that showman and the “jigs”
he throws with his eye’s & face
combined with those turbo licks connecting
the love & cadences with humans in the audience.
Capture THAT FIRE.
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ZEN Amps
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@Dino 939 we want to party with you. Get in touch next time you're in Sydney you crazy cat you.
CrazyNutz
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Sounds really good. Infact I listened to the original Vicarious track, and yours is way better.
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tonedover
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Needs a hair more treble or presence to cut to my taste but otherwise sounds excellent. Bravo
ZEN Amps
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Very happy to take that compliment!
(Your cheque will arrive within 10 working days, keep up the good work)
saxxamafone
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Where abouts did you have the mids on that amp for the clip? I know AJ cranks his but his tone doesn't sound like cranked mids to me... weird
CrazyNutz
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I bet they snuffed it in post production.
anomaly
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The tool clip sounds excellent to me. Good job.
glpg80
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Kinda wondering the same thing. I heard a low mid character in the cell phone and jacked mids in the professional recording. Is that all just recording differences or was there some amp tweaking between the two?
ZEN Amps
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I don't recall the exact settings but most of the EQ was around noon to 1:00, nothing crazy. AJ may crank the mids on his VH4 but with other amps blended, choice of cab, mic, mic position, external processing it probably doesn't mean all that much.
Thanks!
Same settings pretty much, maybe a touch less gain for the Tool one as that guitar has a hotter pickup.
The EQ of a phone recording is so whack that I wouldn't pay any real attention to it at all. It's only really good for general 'vibe' stuff - how much gain, vintage or modern tightness, maybe aggression? But really it's guesswork for tonal balance.
Years ago when phone clips starting becoming somewhat normalised, I did some interesting tests. Turns out that holding a phone up to a studio monitor of a shitty amp sim plug-in wasn't reliably worse (sometimes better) than doing the same in front of a high end rig!
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braintheory
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Yeah very strange to me how some guys here actually think some phone vids sound great. I showed some phone vids of mine to a friend that’s not a guitarists and he’s like wtf? It makes your iic+ sound like a line 6. I think we just often use our imagination when listening to phone clips since the sound is so vague and washed out
TheGreatGreen
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I honestly don't see how anybody with working ears who has ever, ever heard a great close-mic'd tone could think cell phone clips are good for basically anything besides telling that an amp does in fact turn on and produce sound. Maybe to a lesser extent you can kinda tell roughly how much gain has been dialed in, but with how easily cell phone mics can be distorted, even that is hard to determine. But like you said, overall EQ structure? LOL not a chance, especially since 99% of cell phone recordings feature the mic aimed at the ground 10 feet away from the amp. In other words, in almost all cell phone clips, 100% of what you're hearing is room reflections only. Concrete garage floor? Tiled bathroom? Shag carpet bedroom? Who gives a shit! Cell phone clips are fine and totally representative of amps guys. Totally.
The only reason I can come up with to explain why people post them is basically laziness. People just don't feel like bothering with breaking out the mics and lining them up as opposed to just whipping out the phone and pressing one button, or they haven't bothered to learn how to process a mic'd tone at all, so they lie to themselves and convince themselves that cell phone recordings are "just as good" otherwise they'd have to admit to themselves that they're just being lazy about it.
The only reason I can come up with to explain why people accept them is because 1. they post cell phone clips themselves, in which case see the above paragraph, or 2. to piggyback off @braintheory , in a way, cell phone clips can be more "fun" for people who don't know much about the amps in question because cell phone recordings are so vague and washy that it's easier to use your imagination and convince yourself that anything in them that sounds bad is just the room and "other stuff" while anything good about the clip is definitely the amp, definitely.
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braintheory
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I think it’s though also that there’s just a learning curve to it vs a phone recording. It’s hard to not get harsh or unpleasant sounds at first, where an iPhone is forgiving to that since there’s no detail to the sound. This is I think why many guys are used to phone clips and then they hear Reza’s clips and think it sounds too harsh or thin. They’re either just not used to hearing mic’d recording or have wimpy ears for God forbid bright sounds that don’t sound like they’re underwater lol. Not that I think Reza’s clips are amazing, but at least better than most of what’s on YouTube
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ZEN Amps
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Yep not a fan of the phone clip, but I hope this doesn't turn into a thread bashing them!
I think for sharing the excitement of a new amp, showing off a cool riff, or for general fun they're cool. @311splawndude said it well the other day, that 'Cell Phone clips = more clips at the end of the day'. It's a good way to look at it really, and at least it's a step further than a lot of guys go.
I'm convinced though that the 'filling in the blanks' aspect (paraphrasing you @braintheory) of a phone, or any distant recording really, is a real thing. I mean you hear a terrible bootleg of an early VH gig and you just know the tone was good, even though it's not explicit in the recording. Same with some shit hot amp someone has just bought - they play some cool riffs through it and although the tone is actually indistinct and weirdly eq'd, you can sort of assume it was great in the room.
On the flip side, the problem with close-miking is that it's not a formula for guaranteed good tone. I've heard many, many clips over the years with a 57 in roughly the right place that sound terrible. Unfortunately it's not just point and shoot, and one size does not fit all. Also for those unaccustomed to isolated close-miked tones, you'll get complaints they are too dry, bright, harsh etc.
So no more phone-shaming from us, although I don't think we'll be posting any more!
I think for sharing the excitement of a new amp, showing off a cool riff, or for general fun they're cool. @311splawndude said it well the other day, that 'Cell Phone clips = more clips at the end of the day'. It's a good way to look at it really, and at least it's a step further than a lot of guys go.
I'm convinced though that the 'filling in the blanks' aspect (paraphrasing you @braintheory) of a phone, or any distant recording really, is a real thing. I mean you hear a terrible bootleg of an early VH gig and you just know the tone was good, even though it's not explicit in the recording. Same with some shit hot amp someone has just bought - they play some cool riffs through it and although the tone is actually indistinct and weirdly eq'd, you can sort of assume it was great in the room.
On the flip side, the problem with close-miking is that it's not a formula for guaranteed good tone. I've heard many, many clips over the years with a 57 in roughly the right place that sound terrible. Unfortunately it's not just point and shoot, and one size does not fit all. Also for those unaccustomed to isolated close-miked tones, you'll get complaints they are too dry, bright, harsh etc.
So no more phone-shaming from us, although I don't think we'll be posting any more!
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braintheory
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I agree this why I still make phone clips for fun, but not to be taken to seriously and many guys still enjoy listening to those more lol. I never liked VH’s tone (or leadplaying) much in any scenario, but that’s it’s own separate discussion LOL
I think those guys just need to be educated better what a real mic’d clip sounds like. I personally prefer the more aggressive and transparent sound of those. You actually hear something lol
TheGreatGreen
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Lol fine, @ZEN Amps you've got a great point.
Cell phone clips can be great fun for listening to playing or ideas or that kind of thing, and sure it's always fun to get excited about new gear and show it off however you can. I do get a bit irked when people proudly claim that cell phone recordings are "just as good or better" than close mic'd clips but if it's a cell phone clip or nothing, even I'll admit to taking the cell phone clip.
Cell phone clips can be great fun for listening to playing or ideas or that kind of thing, and sure it's always fun to get excited about new gear and show it off however you can. I do get a bit irked when people proudly claim that cell phone recordings are "just as good or better" than close mic'd clips but if it's a cell phone clip or nothing, even I'll admit to taking the cell phone clip.