saxxamafone
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Have you got a pic of this outboard setup you have going mate?
sounds like you're all sorted!! ??
Have you got a pic of this outboard setup you have going mate?
sounds like you're all sorted!! ??
Steinmetzify
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Produced? Yes.
As a listener? There’s way too much high end.
I’ve heard you on the forums and KNOW you’re gonna do what you want, but this took me 3 listens to get thru.
It’s HARSH man.
The top end is brutal, I don’t know any other way to describe it.
I know you and I have had issues in other forums but I wish you’d take this to heart.
The top end is just fucking PUNISHING and not in a good way.
I’m a metal fan and appreciate all the tips and tricks but as far as this goes just no.
As a listener? There’s way too much high end.
I’ve heard you on the forums and KNOW you’re gonna do what you want, but this took me 3 listens to get thru.
It’s HARSH man.
The top end is brutal, I don’t know any other way to describe it.
I know you and I have had issues in other forums but I wish you’d take this to heart.
The top end is just fucking PUNISHING and not in a good way.
I’m a metal fan and appreciate all the tips and tricks but as far as this goes just no.
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VESmedic
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We all have our opinions , doesn’t hurt my feelings ! It’s definitely bright but not excessively so in my opinion. Also, I have no idea what you are referring to as far as having problems on other forums.
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VESmedic
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Ohhhhh…. You’re the “stems” guy… the board that made fun of me for laughing at you guys for calling single tracks “stems”…. Good stuff….. so did you ever learn the difference?
thegame
Well-known member
I'll give this mix a thumbs up just for the fact that the bass is mixed nice and loud.
Kapo_Polenton
Well-known member
This is a common misconception so I wouldn't rag on him too much. Somewhere along the way, someone thought it was badass to call multitracks, "stems".
Stem mixing is interesting though but is essentially now common place among the pros. They really only use those consoles like you used your outboard preamps to run the final mix through. Makes sense given all the travel and recall.
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VESmedic
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I agree, it IS a common misconception. The thread he is referencing though I got laughed and mocked for setting the record straight about what stems actually are, as I was being accused of “remixing stems”… which is hillarious, because if you know what stems are, how exactly am I reamping a stem track? But anyways, it’s in the past, who cares. But hey I can agree it’s bright? There might be alittle too much zing in the 4-6k area, no big deal, it was a “rough” first attempt at this song overral!
Kapo_Polenton
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I forgot whether or not you ended up dumping cash into your mixing space in terms of acoustic treatment after buying those expensive monitors? I have had a few thoughts on this since.. I don't have any treatment in my new place and it is a wide open unfinished basement with a couch, punching bags, some furniture etc. It isn't ideal. But the reference mix idea and listening in your car. I do actually think that is important because you learn to hear things differently and not just in your space. I practice mixing on the same Sony headphones Scheps uses for a lot of his mixing. They offer me more detail in what i listen to but I also am learning their curve. Some mixes i listen to sound bass heavy but then in the car or on youtube through other speakers, sound more balanced. So the trick is, mix to the source. If the mix sounds a certain way in my headphones and sounds bass heavy, I need to try to recreate that in my mix through that medium. I'd think this way, I have more chance of something sounding consistently good across car stereo's, youtube and computer speakers, or a cell phone. The more important aspect becomes hearing the detail which sometimes is lost by cheapo speakers.
So I am starting to rethink this idea that you HAVE to have a certain mixing environment. No matter what you have, that room will always impart it's sound on the mix. What it will help with though, is killing reflections and managing some bass. So then why shit on headphones? Those will essentially do that too. Ultimately you just need to learn how to reference well I think. Sometimes I think the home studio enthusiasts overthink this stuff. Some of the best albums were recorded in less than stellar environments and mixed in rooms that weren't perfect. Yet they hold up.
Interesting to think about.
As for stems you technically could reamp them as a stereo pair or even as a mono track. It is just that you'd have the whole group in there. Technically when you send stems out to stereo pairs on a mixer you have just "reamped" them out so I guess you could play with the words that way though there is a def. clear difference between stem and tracks. Silly to argue otherwise.
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VESmedic
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Soooo, As far as treatment, I’m kind of going way over the top with this, haha. I was referred by a friend of mine to Roger Darcy. Roger is a world renowned studio designer, arguably the best in the world. He was an author on basically the encyclopedia of the design of recording studios: here’s a link. You can’t buy the hard copy anymore unfortunately ( it’s unbelievably huge) but you can get the kindle version on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/RA-Recording-Architecture-Studio-Design-ebook/dp/B00TYJFUDA/ref=nodl_
Roger has done some of the best studios in the world. He’s also designed Andy sneaps studio, Lenny kravitz, part of abbey roads studios etc. as I was consulting him, he was working on some 68 million dollar project or something in New Zealand, crazy crazy stuff. Buy the kindle version if you are interested. There are amazing pictures, plans for studios, designs etc.
So basically, I ordered a specific type of acoustic barrier mat only made in the UK, and I’m waiting on that to arrive. After that, I’ll hire a carpenter when I get the plans from Roger for my place, and have everything built I need according to Rogers specs. He’s already given me a room layout etc, and I’ve tweaked my monitoring position to where he believes in my room it’ll be best, and he nailed it: it Is even better without treatment yet. I do Have treatment, but of course not to this level.
Like I said, it’s way over the top, but I think there will be little doubt That my room doesn’t sound as best as possible. My logic is, if I have the best sounding room as possible, I can make better decisions than anyone if I’m mixing. But we will see. The room should be awesome when it’s done!
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Kapo_Polenton
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Took a look at his book and holy crap! People have the space AND the cash to do some incredibly nice spaces. I'd never get close to that or have the money for that. Guess I'll rock my open basement and see how I fair. 
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VESmedic
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Took a look at his book and holy crap! People have the space AND the cash to do some incredibly nice spaces. I'd never get close to that or have the money for that. Guess I'll rock my open basement and see how I fair.
You definitely don’t need to do anything this over the top to have a great sounding room! Definitely not needed . But you have to understand there are limitations with any room, and you can only take things so far unless you use certain materials and building techniques etc. but again, I wouldn’t be discouraged by those pictures at all. 4 inch roxul panels around your mixing position, above you, the rear wall, and first reflection points will do wonders for your mixing position, and it’s cheap to do yourself.
Smash
Hack
sounds fucking badass. Very glad I dropped in
EngineeringTheEnemy
Member
Curious what your Mesa settings were on this.
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VESmedic
Well-known member
Bass was on 10. Yes 10
mids about noon, treble about 1 o’clock, gain between noon and 1 o’clock. Orange modern mode. Hope that helps
EngineeringTheEnemy
Member
That’s a big help. I appreciate it!Bass was on 10. Yes 10
EngineeringTheEnemy
Member
You mentioned using a Sontec EQ, which mode? I have a Sontec MEP250 EX.
Bass was on 10. Yes 10 mids about noon, treble about 1 o’clock, gain between noon and 1 o’clock. Orange modern mode. Hope that helps
Bass was on 10. Yes 10
mids about noon, treble about 1 o’clock, gain between noon and 1 o’clock. Orange modern mode. Hope that helps
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Nigel
Guest
Some serious Catch 33 Meshuggah vibes.
DanTravis62
Moderator
I actually vastly prefer the high end to be bright and present ? That's what I do on all my shit.
I like your tones. Modern metal is far too sterile these days.
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RockyStar
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Sounds great as always. I dig your stuff man.