Free speech?

[VonBonfire]

I'm pretty liberal and I think Charlie Kirk was an awful person, just so you know where I'm coming from.

What made him an awful person in your estimation?

 

[Robostyle]

That isn’t what I’m asking. Why make this so complicated?

You are making it complicated.
You said " i wonder how people who support X, would feel about Y?"
Then when people compare the 2, you wonder why.

 

[TheGreatGreen]

What made him an awful person in your estimation?

Respectfully, I don't want to take the thread in that direction as it would be off topic.

 

[VonBonfire]

Respectfully, I don't want to take the thread in that direction as it would be off topic.

This is OT, sir. I'm feeling disrespected right now.

 

[Dan Gleesak]

You are making it complicated.
You said " i wonder how people who support X, would feel about Y?"
Then when people compare the 2, you wonder why.

I am not asking anyone to compare them.

Do you think people should be fired for ck opinions? If no, then no further questions.
If yes, what do you think of people getting fired for intentionally not using preferred pronouns.
It’s pretty simple man. I am not asking anyone to compare the 2, I am asking a specific group of people their opinion on being fired for pronouns

I mean comparing 2 “fireable” offenses is not fallacious at all, but it is still not what I was asking for anyone.

Should I rephrase it?

For those that are ok with being fired for CK opinions, how do you feel about being fired for pronouns?

That any better?

 

[DanTravis62]

Respectfully, I don't want to take the thread in that direction as it would be off topic.

Thank you. I believe I just had to bust out the delete button over something similar, and I appreciate you doing that

 

[DanTravis62]

I am not anyone to compare them.

Do you think people should be fired for ck opinions? If no, then no further questions.
If yes, what do you think of people getting fired for intentionally not using preferred pronouns.
It’s pretty simple man.

I mean comparing 2 “fireable” offenses is not fallacious at all, but it is still not what I was asking for anyone.

Should I rephrase it?

For those that are ok with being fired for CK opinions, how do you feel about being fired for pronouns?

That any better?

No, be more specific

"CK Opinions" isn't saying he

1. Deserved it
2. Brought about his own death by supporting gun rights
3. Other conservatives are "next"


These all border from bad taste to bordering illegality, and calling them "CK Opinions" is why no one is taking your bullshit hypothetical question seriously.


You think that if you frame it in just the right words you can make some sort of "gotcha", but you're not smart enough to do so.

 

[Dan Gleesak]

No, be more specific

"CK Opinions" isn't saying he

1. Deserved it
2. Brought about his own death by supporting gun rights
3. Other conservatives are "next"


These all border from bad taste to bordering illegality, and calling them "CK Opinions" is why no one is taking your bullshit hypothetical question seriously.


You think that if you frame it in just the right words you can make some sort of "gotcha", but you're not smart enough to do so.

You are retarded. Why can’t you answer a simple question.

 

[theclev]

It's not about that. Maybe 1/4 of it is that, but 3/4 of it is the need or want to control people 24/7, which is the number fucking 1 problem on the planet. People that seek to exert control over others because it's the only thing that makes them feel alive, because they have nothing going on in their own life. Also, people are really dumb for using their real identity online. Never understood that.

Free speech means you're free from governmental consequences. It has nothing to do with consequences from employers, family members, friends, bandmates, acquaintances, strangers, etc.

If you want to post stuff on social media that might get you in trouble, don't list your employer in your profile and don't connect with coworkers.

 

[DanTravis62]

You are retarded. Why can’t you answer a simple question.

Everyone has answered the "simple question", you were just trying to create a "leading question"

Maybe if you rephrased it in a non-fallacious way, you would have more successful discourse

 

[Dan Gleesak]

Everyone has answered the "simple question", you were just trying to create a "leading question"

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Maybe if you rephrased it in a non-fallacious way, you would have more successful discourse

Maybe if you were capable of reading objectively you wouldn’t need people to explain things to you.

Lemme hold your hand through this.

Are you ok with people getting fired for things they said about Charlie’s death?

 

[DanTravis62]

Lemme hold your hand through this.

Sorry, I'm not into furry stuff or trans fetishes, I am good bro

You are attempting to conflate the difference between private companies firing people and government entities/public servants, and no one is having it, so I understand why you're big mad

 

[Dan Gleesak]

Sorry, I'm not into furry stuff or trans fetishes, I am good bro

You are attempting to conflate the difference between private companies firing people and government entities/public servants, and no one is having it, so I understand why you're big mad

Wrong again homie. Not even in the same ballpark actually

You aren’t very good at this btw.

 

[Floyd Eye]

See, I don't get this either. IMO, my employer has zero say in what I do when I'm not there. Just like the weed testing BS. I don't smoke the stuff anymore, and my job does not test for it, but employers dictating what you do off ours is an invasion on your right as a human. Next thing you know, employers will be dictating what you eat at home and how many beers you drink on the weekend. Complete fucking BS if you ask me. It's bad enough you see the fucking people you work with more than your own family. F WORK.

You aren’t forced to work there dude. You don’t like their rules, get another job.

 

[DanTravis62]

You aren’t forced to work there dude. You don’t like their rules, get another job.

It's also conflating what free speech actually is - there are, in fact, limits

Most of which have to do with violence, inciting violence, libel, etc

 

[Floyd Eye]

I’m sure it’s happened a lot.

I’ll repeat. Your free speech does not mean the company who employs you can’t fire your ass for almost whatever reason they want. And your opinion is not a protected class.

 

[psychodave]

Seems the leftists here are missing many points. Everyone has free speech in the USA. However, you really don’t have free speech in the workplace, as your employer can terminate you for your speech. Same goes for social media. If you say something your employer doesn’t like on social media, it’s easier to terminate you than deal with the potential backlash that your comments created as you are a representative of that company…yes, even on your own free time.

 

[Stumplegriltskin]

You aren’t forced to work there dude. You don’t like their rules, get another job.

Heh, this is the easiest job on the planet. Nobody tells me what to do here.

 

[DanTravis62]

Seems the leftists here are missing many points. Everyone has free speech in the USA. However, you really don’t have free speech in the workplace, as your employer can terminate you for your speech. Same goes for social media. If you say something your employer doesn’t like on social media, it’s easier to terminate you than deal with the potential backlash that your comments created as you are a representative of that company…yes, even on your own free time.

Lots of people don't seem to understand the limits of the 1st amendment, either

There must have been something I missed about "the pronouns of the furry must be respected" in the Schenck V US 249 supreme court decision

 

[Stumplegriltskin]

Free speech means you're free from governmental consequences. It has nothing to do with consequences from employers, family members, friends, bandmates, acquaintances, strangers, etc.

If you want to post stuff on social media that might get you in trouble, don't list your employer in your profile and don't connect with coworkers.

I have ZERO online friends. Except all you AI fucks. I'll bet 3/4 of you are just code