Friedman Smallbox 50

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I am just about to purchase Friedman Smallbox 50 after reading all the reviews. Currently I own JCM 800 2204 which hope will be put to a rest since I can't depend on it's moodiness anymore.
Any owners info would be appreciated. Will I get the JCM 800 sound from Friedman ? I have half open 2 x 12 cabinet with Celestion G12-65 speakers. does anyone use this combination will it work good with Smallbox ?

Thanks for all the answers.
 
I bounce between 65's and V30's in a closed back 2x12. The thing absolutely rips. 65's can sound a little dark or maybe produce more lower mids. V30's cut a better. They also mix very well together. I've never played a 800 but I think it's a no brainer that it will be a big improvement. Don't be scared buy the SmallBox
 
Thanks for the feedback. Actually I have already decided to go with Small box just need kind of moral approvemnt for the quite a investment for my budget. But what the hell we only leave once I guess i will have to drive in my oldcar for a few next years ;)
 
The Smallbox will be a bit smoother and refined compared to the more raw and bitey JCM800.
So you might miss that.
Everything else is an improvement, though.
The Smallbox sounds absolutely great, especially cranked, and I think you'll dig it.
You can buy from Musicians Friend or Guitar Center if you need to make sure it works for you, and return it if it doesn't.
It's really a killer amp.
 
LPMojoGL":tyyo2v69 said:
The Smallbox will be a bit smoother and refined compared to the more raw and bitey JCM800.
So you might miss that.

+1!

And the gain-channel is darker sounding. I like it, sold my JCM 800 and kept the Smallbox.

greetings
 
Mainly I am releasing ma JCM because the gain is getting anoyingly crispy after 4 and also boosting or adding OD makes it to hursh. And a lot of technicians have been looking at it and everybody said that it is supposed to be like that and can't do anything about it. Although I really liked how it cleaned up with my Fender Lonestar. I already did the Hot mod wich made middle EQ a little bit more friendly but still can't get the harshness of it .... The other thing I really liked with my JCM was that I never had a problem getting out of the mix in live performance which I am little afraid that migh have a problem with Smallbox. That's why I passed over Egnater Renegade of which I was thinking for a while, but changed my mind.

Anyway I am waiting for Smallbox now hopefully won't be dissapointed ---
 
Honestly, there's a lot you can do to the harshness of a 2204!
Of course, you would have to modify it to get there... Stock, it's a really bright amp.

Here are a few simple mod suggestions:
Lift one end of the 1nF capacitor that connects two legs of the pre amp volume pot.
If that doesn't get you there, lift one leg of the 470pF capacitor just before the pre amp volume; the one in parallel with a 470k resistor, soldered between one of the inputs and the pot. (You can also replace that cap/resistor pair with a lower value resistor, say 68k-330k, to see if it gets you there.)

I would try those mods before doing anything on the circuit board itself (which can be tricky unless you're handy with a soldering iron...).
 
What speakers are you using?

Try the 2204 with a medium magnet

G12M,G12-65,G12T-75
 
I am using G12-65 in half open box which for now turned out to work best with 2204 hopefuly it will work good also with Smallbox since I see mostly used are Vintage which I personally don't like (too sharp for my ear)
 
I have been using my Smallbox since about 5 weeks. I have the older version (without the toggle switches on the front).

Positive points: the amp sounds really smooth, creamy and heavy through its dirty channel. However, the winner of this amp is the clean Plexi-like channel *with* the gain knob! In fact, the reason why I chose the Smallbox instead of the HBE or the Cantrell is this feature. Honestly, I cannot believe why Friedman didn't put a gain knob on the clean channels of the mega-expensive JBE and the Cantrell.... I mean, for an amp of 3600 euro's a gain knob on both channels would be the least one could expect??

Anyway, back to the Smallbox: I have never heard a clean channel on any Marshall-style amp sound so fantastic as on the Smallbox. My bandmates made comments about it, and that says something...
The effect loop is great too, although I would have liked to have it switchable. I think this might be one of the modifications I will ask my amp tech for.
As said, the gain channel sounds very convincing. Fat and creamy, although personally I would have loved the sound to be just a little more 'open' (like a JCM800) and also I would like the amp to have a little more gain. For solo's I now have to use an SD1 to really get it going.
The cabinet I use is a Friedman 2x12 (closed back) equipped with V30's. Although this cab was pretty expensive (somewhere around 800 euro's) the thing is very well build and sounds absolutely fenomenal with the Smallbox. No problem whatsoever cutting through the mix, no harsh sounds even with the treble above 12 o' clock, just a killer sound.

In short: it's a great amp, well worth the money, with a fantastic clean/crunch channel. With some minor modifications (more of an 'open' lead sound and a switchable FX loop) I'd give it a 10, now 8 out of 10 points.
 
Have you tried boosting the clean/crunch channel for example with Xotic RC ? How does it handle the boost pedals ?

I am currently boosting my JCM 800 wit Xotic BB Preamp but is for me to compressed ... One of the pedals that were quite transparent on JCM 800 was Zakk Wylde MXR OD. SD1 change to much the sound of amp.
 
Since when is the newer version with toggle switches out ? On some videos I see them with toggle switches and on some without ....?
 
wahoo":3i1abp3c said:
Have you tried boosting the clean/crunch channel for example with Xotic RC ? How does it handle the boost pedals ?

I am currently boosting my JCM 800 wit Xotic BB Preamp but is for me to compressed ... One of the pedals that were quite transparent on JCM 800 was Zakk Wylde MXR OD. SD1 change to much the sound of amp.

The clean channel takes my SD1 pretty well, but not as good as my other amps (Marshall, Koch...). For some reason, the overall sound becomes a little 'metallic' for lack of a better word... Perhaps because the clean/crunch channel is so clear and transparent by itself?? I get better results by just cranking the gain knob on the clean/crunch channel. I have an Xotic EP Booster which I've used to boost the lead channel. But the overall sound wasn't as good as the one I get with my Keeley modded SD1. I guess that one is quite similar to the MXR Wylde.
 
I thought by design the SB50 had more gain than JCM800...
 
wahoo":30ycrtxk said:
Since when is the newer version with toggle switches out ? On some videos I see them with toggle switches and on some without ....?
Those aren't production models. The bright and channel toggle are on all production models.

campbellcj":30ycrtxk said:
I thought by design the SB50 had more gain than JCM800...
Yes BE channel has more gain than a 800.
 
Yes, the Smallbox has more gain than the JCM800, but not as much gain as the HBE.
I doubt if you can put away your stompboxes when playing lead... At least, I couldn't.
 
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