From Scratch Amp Building Chronicle - 6/13/10 UPDATED!!

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sah5150":1edphn0z said:
Greazygeo":1edphn0z said:
Looks great Steve! Looking forward to seeing the finished pics Thursday afternoon right? :lol: :LOL: .
Yup, I'll email ya Thursday.. ;)

Greazygeo":1edphn0z said:
On your name, did you check to see if it was taken? I know MF has a guitar/ amp house brand using that name.
There are a few companies like the MF Rogue you mention and Rogue Audio, but I believe "Rogue Amplification" is unique... I'll have to file and do a search to make sure it is cool. If I really can't use that name, it is no big deal - just a logo design...

Steve
Cool!!

Yeah I wasn't sure how the name thing works legally and just remembered MF had those cheapies under that Rogue name.
 
J.B.":3p5jsnqj said:
Wow Steve. Looks GREAT! Way back when you told me you were going to do this I had no idea the amp was going to be like this. I was thinking it was just going to be a modded Marshall. Best of luck to you! Can't wait to hear it! :rock:
Thanks man! Yeah, it started out as just a modded Marshall, but I wanted several flavors of Marshall tones all based around the Super Lead base and I wanted to have them all footswitchable and usable live (hence the multiple masters).

Steve
 
Steve,

Is there a reason you are using shared tone stacks?

I know it would be a lot more work, bigger chassis etc, but that is the major shortcoming (IMO) on so many channel switching amps.
 
GITTarzann":3e4itk8k said:
Steve,

Is there a reason you are using shared tone stacks?

I know it would be a lot more work, bigger chassis etc, but that is the major shortcoming (IMO) on so many channel switching amps.
Based on the design I have, I don't think this will be a problem. The three "channels" are really more like modes of a single channel. The third mode is just a different master placement with diode clipping. So now we have 2 modes, which are identical except for an added gain stage. This isn't a channel switcher that has multiple completely different preamps. The basic tone should be close and the modes really only change the amount of distortion and gain. I wanted the other features I have in the amp and don't want stacked pots that would be necessary with multiple tone stacks.

Steve
 
Man, that is awesome. You have no idea how hard my nipples are right now!!! :thumbsup:
 
PeteLaramee":22txov8w said:
Man, that is awesome. You have no idea how hard my nipples are right now!!! :thumbsup:
HA! Thanks man - more updates will be posted during next week!

Steve
 
Very cool! Couple random thoughts...

1) Are you going to have a seperate transformer for your heaters? I'd consider that for noise reasons and also if you do any type of B+ chicanery/lowering with zeners, the heater transformer voltage will be the same and you won't have to worry about stripping the cathodes on the tubes.

2) Consider putting in a footswitchable second master volume. That helps make an amp gig worthy because you can get a volume boost for leads live.

3) I would ditch the Rogue name as it's already established as a cheapo brand.

4) put all bias measurements/adjustments on the outside of the chassis so someone can dial it in without having to drop the chassis. For bonus points allow each tube it's own bias control and test so unmatched tubes can be used.

Very cool, looking forward to seeing more!

Pete
 
stratotone":138dth12 said:
Very cool! Couple random thoughts...
Thanks! I'll check 'em out...

stratotone":138dth12 said:
1) Are you going to have a seperate transformer for your heaters? I'd consider that for noise reasons and also if you do any type of B+ chicanery/lowering with zeners, the heater transformer voltage will be the same and you won't have to worry about stripping the cathodes on the tubes.
My heaters will be DC wired to reduce noise, but will not have a separate transformer. I see no reason for a separate transformer for the heaters. I will have an additional 6V AC tranny to power the relays though...

stratotone":138dth12 said:
2) Consider putting in a footswitchable second master volume. That helps make an amp gig worthy because you can get a volume boost for leads live.
There are 4 masters. There are channel masters for ROD and PLEX modes, the ZEN master and the PPIMV for overall volume control. For live use, I would use the ZEN master as a volume boost for leads in either the ROD or PLEX mode. The ZEN master just replaces the normal mode master for ROD and PLEX, therefore, it can be used as a volume boost as well as adding the diode clipping. Certainly allows a volume boost for leads for either mode. Any mode switching amp has some compromises, ya know? ;)

stratotone":138dth12 said:
3) I would ditch the Rogue name as it's already established as a cheapo brand.
Both yourself and George have given me something to think about here, however, I have a very specific reason I'm attached to this name and I think it is possible to have the two brands co-exist. Mine is "Rogue Custom Amplification" and my marketing will be completely different. I don't think when people see my marketing and product they are going to be confusing it with the cheapo brand. I'm not trying to build this into a big business where this would be a concern. This is boutique custom shop hand made stuff.... Definitely something to think about though...

stratotone":138dth12 said:
4) put all bias measurements/adjustments on the outside of the chassis so someone can dial it in without having to drop the chassis. For bonus points allow each tube it's own bias control and test so unmatched tubes can be used.
Cool idea for rev 2. - I've already bit off quite a bit here and I've got extremely tight front and back panels already.

stratotone":138dth12 said:
Very cool, looking forward to seeing more!
Thanks - I'll be posting updates whenever I've got something to show!

BTW - the cool thing about making this an "open source" amp design is that I fully expect that people will tweak my schematics and layouts once I publish them, and, much like open source software, I'll incorporate great ideas and tweaks into the base design and/or my "tweak kits". This way, the amp and tweak kits will get better and better as multiple amp builders chime in with their tweaks and upgrades. As I said, I'll provide all my schematics, layouts, detailed pictures and build instructions, parts lists, etc. and will continue to update them as the design evolves... No hiding anything... no black goop - if you wanna build it yourself, go ahead (I won't be offering kits - you gotta do it yourself from scratch)! If you just want to buy one already built with custom options galore - get it from me!

I don't get changing a few resistors and caps from 40-50 year old designs and it is some kind of incredible trade secret. :lol: :LOL:

Steve
 
Chronicle 2: Punching the rear panel

I thought since there are some differences in technique required, I'd show how I punched the back panel. In this case, there are two larger holes - one for the impedance switch and a rectangular one for the AC Inlet. To do the impedence switch 1 1/4" round hole, I used a Greenlee hand punch. To do the rectangular hole for the AC Inlet, I cut two 3/4" round holes using my cutting tools and then used a flat file to square off the edges. Not perfect, but good enough for this prototype. My production models will be pre-cut and VERY exact!

So... first I made another template:

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In the next two pictures, you can see the template attached. You can see the guides for the two 3/4" holes I cut for the AC Inlet and also the center 3/8" hole I cut for the impedence switch. This 3/8" inch guide hole is used so you can insert the Greenlee punch to cut the larger hole required.

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The next three pictures show how I used the Greenlee hand punch to cut the large 1 1/4" hole for the impedenced switch. You simply insert the ball bearing threaded screw (with the die attached) through the 3/8" guide hole you cut, screw on the punch and hand turn the top bolt to punch a very clean hole. It is pretty easy and required little effort (at least with aluminum), but if you had to cut a bunch of chassis by hand, it would get tedious - you'd need the hydraulic punch which would be expensive. As I said, once I have a prototype, I'll contract to have a bunch of chassis professionally cut by machine...

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Now I use the file to square off the two 3/4" holes I cut to form a rectangular cutout for the AC Inlet. Although time-consuming, I found it to be pretty accurate. I could not think of another way to do this easier. I tried grinding with my dremel tool, by I just ended up destroying the grinding attachments...

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Here is what it looked like when it was done. Although the chassis is a bit scratched up - I'll be able to get it shiny and smooth again with some fine grit sandpaper and then steel wool. It'll look slick, but I'll wait until the top is punched before dealing with making it look nice...

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Testing the parts for correct fit - Looks good! (BTW - these pictures show a voltage switch instead of an impedance switch, but it doesn't matter as I have a correctly labeled impedance switch of the exact same size - I was just testing fit and grabbed the wrong one...)

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Sitting on my chassis holder waiting for next steps...

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Next is punching the top of the chassis (lots of big holes again for caps and tube sockets). I need to wait for a few parts to arrive so I can figure spacing perfectly. I need to add another 6V AC tranny to power the relays and I need to see where/how it will fit before I make any more cuts... I can also have some custom faceplates made now! Then I start soldering! Yeah! Unsoldered everything from my pre-cut chassis and I'm ready to go once the custom one is cut...

Steve
 
Dude, Hurry up already...You have been working on this thing since 2008 :hys:


Hope all is well!!

~R~
 
Gainfreak":yqrgefhw said:
Dude, Hurry up already...You have been working on this thing since 2008 :hys:


Hope all is well!!

~R~
HA! Things are good here, bro - hope you're doing great as well!

Steve
 
Love this thread! Can't wait to hear some clips of the finished product :rock:
 
Chronicle 3: Punching the top of the chassis

Well, today I punched the top of the chassis. Not a lot of action shots here ( :D ) as it was just more repetition of what I've already showed you. I went without a template this time and just did a bunch of measuring. This was VERY time consuming and tedious and a big pain in the ass in general. You can also see my first relatively decent screwup (of many more to come I'm sure! ;) ). The first preamp tube screw holes were off when I first drilled them. Lucky thing I tested it when it just didn't look right to me! Anyway I had to make larger cutouts so it will fit right. No big deal as you won't be able to see this AT ALL once the preamp tube socket is screwed in, but you have to be very meticulous with this stuff - a big enough mistake and you'll be cutting a new chassis! Patience is the biggest virtue in what I've done so far, I can tell you that... Anyway - all the rest of the preamp tube screw holes were cut right. You can see holes for the PT, OT, Choke, the 6 filter caps, 4 preamp tubes and 4 power amp tubes as well as wire guide holes for the PT, OT and Choke...

Here are some pics:

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Next I have to wait for my 6V AC tranny to arrive so I can cut the side of the chassis by the PT for it, but that will be just a few seconds to drill two 1/8" holes. So, basically, the chassis is now cut and ready for me to sand and steel wool it to get it looking sharp again. Of course, I will have to drill a few more holes in the top of the chassis to hold the circuit boards, but I want to wait to see optimum placement after I've built my boards... So soon, I'll start to layout my boards and start soldering!

Steve
 
Wow what a lot of work! Still, very rewarding once it's all done and looks sharp. If it sounds good....bonus!!! :lol: :LOL: I'm sure it'll sound great as you've got all kinds of experience with great sounding amps.

Onward and upward! :rock:
 
loudgtr":3rg14wan said:
Wow what a lot of work! Still, very rewarding once it's all done and looks sharp. If it sounds good....bonus!!! :lol: :LOL: I'm sure it'll sound great as you've got all kinds of experience with great sounding amps.

Onward and upward! :rock:
Yeah man - it WAS a lot of work! I have to say - it will be really nice to have machine-punched chassis made from my prototype. I wouldn't want to have to do this to build every amp!

Steve
 
man this looks like an incredibly fun project! i can't wait to see more updates.
keep it up!! :thumbsup:
 
Jeezz, I'm jaleous (sp?); I'm sort of working on a hobby amp project but I am very insecure about my electrical abilities. As a result I'm sorta stalling. You seem so sure of yourself, way to go !

I've posted the schematic (which is a mix of 2 existing amps really, or it should be haha) on a forum hoping someone would look at it and point to the mistakes. No luck so far, so now I'm considering hiring a certified tech to check it for me. I'll have to get a Variac for easy startup also.

Remember I talked to you about schematic drawing software ? I found this: http://tinycad.sourceforge.net/ after trying several other free programs. I like it; it's really simple and intuative, for me at least.

Your project looks great ! I'm gonna follow this closely

Giga.
 
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