From Scratch Amp Building Chronicle - 6/13/10 UPDATED!!

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Sixtonoize":3lw6lsdh said:
So what's the retail on this thing gonna be?
3 years of work, so what...$150,000?
:lol: :LOL:
For you, yes, $150,000.00. I take PayPal! :lol: :LOL:

For the record, the elapsed time and the time actually spent on the project are vastly different. If I was doing this full time, I'd have been done in six months tops, IMO...

Steve
 
With all the switching going on in there, troubleshooting should be fun. I'm sure you'll get it. Good job so far. :)
 
Greazygeo":frwc8xrx said:
With all the switching going on in there, troubleshooting should be fun. I'm sure you'll get it. Good job so far. :)
Thanks man! Slowly, but surely, ya know? :D

Steve
 
sah5150":2bslttc5 said:
Gainzilla":2bslttc5 said:
This thread reminds of that quote " It takes an entire village to raise a child"

Very cool to follow this project from inception to completion :thumbsup:

Kage
While others have thrown in with helpful tips and suggestions that I really appreciate, I have gotten so much help from Olaf on this project, it's ridiculous. I could have never gotten this far without his help. I was a complete noob when I started working on this, even with my EE background and the Egnater Seminar under my belt (in many ways, I'm still a total newb really - hell, I'm still struggling with the switching aspects of this project... :lol: :LOL: ). Without his patient explanations, suggestions and corrections I would have abandonded this long ago... Great guy and I so appreciate his taking an interest in this and sharing his knowledge...

Steve
Thats very cool but not surprising, youd be hard pressed to find a nicer , more generous guy than Dr Krampe, hes one of a kind for sure and one Smart SOB to boot...

Kage
 
sah5150":1hwf7yzn said:
Greazygeo":1hwf7yzn said:
With all the switching going on in there, troubleshooting should be fun. I'm sure you'll get it. Good job so far. :)
Thanks man! Slowly, but surely, ya know? :D

Steve
Oh yeah. Looks like a few wires in there. :lol: :LOL:
 
Greazygeo":zjg5myzd said:
sah5150":zjg5myzd said:
Greazygeo":zjg5myzd said:
With all the switching going on in there, troubleshooting should be fun. I'm sure you'll get it. Good job so far. :)
Thanks man! Slowly, but surely, ya know? :D

Steve
Oh yeah. Looks like a few wires in there. :lol: :LOL:
Yeah, a few.... ;)

Steve
 
I see your problem, it's that white wire with the stripe that's twisted backwards. :yes:

Or,..... is it that yellow wire? :confused:


:yes:
 
Death by Uberschall":3ki0rlha said:
I see your problem, it's that white wire with the stripe that's twisted backwards. :yes:

Or,..... is it that yellow wire? :D


:yes:
See, everyone DOES help! :lol: :LOL:

Steve
 
sah5150":3efwystu said:
Death by Uberschall":3efwystu said:
I see your problem, it's that white wire with the stripe that's twisted backwards. :yes:

Or,..... is it that yellow wire? :D


:yes:
See, everyone DOES help! :lol: :LOL:

Steve
:cheers2:
 
Check/follow the "default" switching circuit with the beep function of your DMM, Steve. In default mode (amp off, no voltage supplied to relays) at least one channel should work, also try first to uninstall the VTL(s). Just lift one of their non-LED-legs - you may get bleeding, but a better impression of whats going on inside - and VTLs can be "nasty", you know . . .

Good luck.
 
Gainzilla":12iffvkh said:
sah5150":12iffvkh said:
Gainzilla":12iffvkh said:
This thread reminds of that quote " It takes an entire village to raise a child"

Very cool to follow this project from inception to completion :thumbsup:

Kage
While others have thrown in with helpful tips and suggestions that I really appreciate, I have gotten so much help from Olaf on this project, it's ridiculous. I could have never gotten this far without his help. I was a complete noob when I started working on this, even with my EE background and the Egnater Seminar under my belt (in many ways, I'm still a total newb really - hell, I'm still struggling with the switching aspects of this project... :lol: :LOL: ). Without his patient explanations, suggestions and corrections I would have abandonded this long ago... Great guy and I so appreciate his taking an interest in this and sharing his knowledge...

Steve
Thats very cool but not surprising, youd be hard pressed to find a nicer , more generous guy than Dr Krampe, hes one of a kind for sure and one Smart SOB to boot...

Kage

+10000000000 Could not say it better myself!


With that said.... Congrats Steve on getting this far! I know that you will get this sucker up and running in no time! :rock:
 
You guys are way too kind, Steve is da man! His second project and such a monster - thats awesome. I'm sure it will be fine soon :)

Now unhook the VTLs :D
 
Just a big thanks Steve,this is a monster project bro and thanks for posting this whole thing,such an inspiration above and beyond man!!!!!This thing will scream life soon!!! :rock:
 
duesentrieb":2cbiudue said:
Check/follow the "default" switching circuit with the beep function of your DMM, Steve. In default mode (amp off, no voltage supplied to relays) at least one channel should work, also try first to uninstall the VTL(s). Just lift one of their non-LED-legs - you may get bleeding, but a better impression of whats going on inside - and VTLs can be "nasty", you know . . .

Good luck.
Hi Olaf,

I had to fix the mains switch as I had the indicator lamp wired to the wrong terminals. It was on all the time when the amp was plugged in. I just found this out because I did not have an indicator lamp until it showed up yesterday... (forgot to order one...)

I have now followed the default switching path from the input through each of the relays to the controls and I have "beep" continuity as expected (Loop off). Good...

I then tested the amp with my guitar again and was very careful this time. The "plex" gain control adjust gain from clean to distorted plexi type gain as I said. The "plex" master now does adjust the volume, but not how I'd expect. Even with the master turned all the way down, there is still a good amount of sound, but no where near as loud as when it is cranked. Not working right, but signal is getting there. Tone controls still don't seem to do anything, but I notice now that adjusting the density control reduces the volume of the amp. The amp is still not loud as a cranked plexi, but it is reasonably loud in the room. Lets put it this way, after a few minutes my wife asked me to turn it down (she thinks it sounds good though. HA!), but the one time she heard my PeaceMaker fully cranked because I had left my attenuator up full from when she wasn't in the house, she was completely freaked out! :lol: :LOL: Thin, trebly sound with distortion - no bottom end or mids... does sound kinda cool though... :D

As I said before, I re-wired the manual switches because I misunderstood how they worked. Now, no matter how I switch them, I don't get the hum I was getting with them before in some settings. Good...

One strange thing is now I'm only measuring 5.9VDC on the preamp heaters... I was getting ~ 6.2VDC before... haven't changed anything in that circuit?? Hmmm.....

Measured all the voltages now again and here is where I'm at:

V1 (12AX7) - Pin 1 - 128.2, Pin 3 - .796, Pin 6 - 175.7, Pin 8 - 1.351
V2 (12AX7) - Pin 1 - 134.2, Pin 3 - .824, Pin 6 - 235, Pin 7 - 134.2, Pin 8 - 134.7
V3 (12AX7) - Pin 1 - 266.2, Pin 2 - 17.79, Pin 3 - 45.96, Pin 6 - 175.8, Pin 7 - 0, Pin 8 - 1.369 (Loop tube)
V4 (12AX7) - Pin 1 - 198.3, Pin 2 - 20.77, Pin 3 - 32.82, Pin 6 - 194.3, Pin 7 - 21.85, Pin 8 - 32.9 (Phase inverter)
V5 (EL34) - Pin 1 - 35.6 mV, Pin 2 - 3.261, Pin 3 - 459.7, Pin 4 - 458, Pin 5 - -40, Pin 6 - 459.7, Pin 7 - 3.445, Pin 8 - 35.6 mV
V6 (EL34) - Pin 1 - 33.7 mV, Pin 2 - 3.282, Pin 3 - 460, Pin 4 - 457.5, Pin 5 - -40, Pin 6 - 459., Pin 7 - 3.474, Pin 8 - 33.7 mV
V7 (EL34) - Pin 1 - 37.9 mV, Pin 2 - 3.307, Pin 3 - 460.2, Pin 4 - 457.5, Pin 5 - -40, Pin 6 - 458.8, Pin 7 - 3.521, Pin 8 - 37.9 mV
V8 (EL34) - Pin 1 - 38 mV, Pin 2 - 3.393, Pin 3 - 460.2, Pin 4 - 457.5, Pin 5 - -40, Pin 6 - 458.8, Pin 7 - 3.584, Pin 8 - 38 mV

Lotsa stuff look suspect in the preamp section... :lol: :LOL:

Power section and PI look relatively correct, but the voltages are all down a bit across the board since my last measurement... I didn't change anything... wonder if this could be from fluctuation in the wall voltage I'm getting.... I dunno...

I'll try the VTL... Wonder why the "plex" master sems to adjust the volume, but not all the way off.... Since I'm getting continuity across the default path I can't figure out why the tone stack controls don't work... All the grounding looks good and I measure 0 volts where I should with the amp on... :dunno:

Lots more to do...

Steve
 
Steve, please set the DMM to read 1000V AC and measure what comes out of the PT on the high voltage side (where it goes into the bridge rectifier). There's not enough volts - or you loose somewhere too much.
Please measure the whole B+ line too - somewhere is an error . . .

Just an examples: the CF cathode should have 180-200V, not 134V.

sorry, I'm cooking for the kids - not too much time atm . . .
 
duesentrieb":2fvt4xis said:
Steve, please set the DMM to read 1000V AC and measure what comes out of the PT on the high voltage side (where it goes into the bridge rectifier). There's not enough volts - or you loose somewhere too much.
Please measure the whole B+ line too - somewhere is an error . . .

Just an examples: the CF cathode should have 180-200V, not 134V.
For sure, I'm losing something before there - I see that that is way too low...

duesentrieb":2fvt4xis said:
sorry, I'm cooking for the kids - not too much time atm . . .
No problem - I'm at work anyway and I appreciate any thoughts you have had the time to give on this troubleshooting...

Steve
 
sah5150":thjy29w2 said:
duesentrieb":thjy29w2 said:
Steve, please set the DMM to read 1000V AC and measure what comes out of the PT on the high voltage side (where it goes into the bridge rectifier). There's not enough volts - or you loose somewhere too much.
Please measure the whole B+ line too - somewhere is an error . . .

Just an examples: the CF cathode should have 180-200V, not 134V.
For sure, I'm losing something before there - I see that that is way too low...

duesentrieb":thjy29w2 said:
sorry, I'm cooking for the kids - not too much time atm . . .
No problem - I'm at work anyway and I appreciate any thoughts you have had the time to give on this troubleshooting...

Steve

WAIT, WAIT!!!!!! Before you try all that, have you tried a good swift kick or bang on the chassis a little bit? :lol: :LOL:
 
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