FUCK UPS FUCK USPS FUCK FEDEX

[Floyd Eye]

You are making pretty good money though. Most people aren't making your kind of money.

I'm middle class bro. So are UPS drivers. The dollar amount they will be making at the end of their contract is roughly in the same neighborhood as what I make now. The difference being that I work a shit ton of overtime.

I think people are mostly not that motivated to elevate their financial situation. Those that are, do. For the most part.

Incidentally I used to work for UPS. I was a sorter. Part time, 4 hours a night ( second shift) making about $14/hr. This was in the late 80s. I was a union carpenter and after I got off work I went home and ate and slept, then got up around 10 PM and went to work at UPS. Then went straight to work after I got off at UPS.

Properly motivated. ?

 

[Floyd Eye]

I also had a friend who was a UPS driver. He died about 10 years ago. Cancer. He was a driver for over 25 years. In fact he was a driver way back when I was a sorter. About 5 years before he died UPS changed the rules and reduced the time drivers had to complete their routes. My friend was unceremoniously fired after all those years of service because he couldn't consistently finish his route in the time allotted.

 

[VonBonfire]

I'm middle class bro. So are UPS drivers. The dollar amount they will be making at the end of their contract is roughly in the same neighborhood as what I make now. The difference being that I work a shit ton of overtime.

I think people are mostly not that motivated to elevate their financial situation. Those that are, do. For the most part.

Incidentally I used to work for UPS. I was a sorter. Part time, 4 hours a night ( second shift) making about $14/hr. This was in the late 80s. I was a union carpenter and after I got off work I went home and ate and slept, then got up around 10 PM and went to work at UPS. Then went straight to work after I got off at UPS.

Properly motivated. ?

Fair enough but there is a long way between middle class at 60k a year and middle class at over 100k a year, over time or not.

 

[Floyd Eye]

Fair enough but there is a long way between middle class at 60k a year and middle class at over 100k a year, over time or not.

60k is not middle class. Not anymore. It's not very far off from poverty level.

 

[VonBonfire]

60k is not middle class. Not anymore. It's not very far off from poverty level.

Well if we are talking movable goalposts then I guess it's not but tax bracket wise it still is middle class.

Ridiculous that you have to make that kind of money just to cover the bases. I guess it helps that I've owned my own home for over ten years so the pressure isn't as high, financially. The values and costs have doubled and tripled since then, pretty much screwing everyone.

 

[Laputan Machine]

lol

No they don't dude. Even at the end of this contract ( 5 years from now) they won't. They will be making an average of $49/hr. That's 102k.

From your link.

"By the end of the new contract, full-time UPS delivery drivers will make an average of $49 per hour, which works out to nearly $102,000 per year, assuming a 40-hour workweek, 52 weeks a year. Those employees are guaranteed an eight-hour workday, a UPS spokesperson told CBS MoneyWatch."

You unlock the other 70k once you learn the secret handshake.

 

[Floyd Eye]

Well if we are talking movable goalposts then I guess it's not but tax bracket wise it still is middle class.

Ridiculous that you have to make that kind of money just to cover the bases. I guess it helps that I've owned my own home for over ten years so the pressure isn't as high, financially. The values and costs have doubled and tripled since then, pretty much screwing everyone.

No brother it isn't. Even if we were talking about a couple years ago it isn't. In fact 100k is barely middle class. It's the low end of middle class.

 

[Floyd Eye]

Well if we are talking movable goalposts then I guess it's not but tax bracket wise it still is middle class.

Ridiculous that you have to make that kind of money just to cover the bases. I guess it helps that I've owned my own home for over ten years so the pressure isn't as high, financially. The values and costs have doubled and tripled since then, pretty much screwing everyone.

I've been working my ass off my whole life. House will be paid off ( again) in about 10 months.

 

[VonBonfire]

No brother it isn't. Even if we were talking about a couple years ago it isn't. In fact 100k is barely middle class. It's the low end of middle class.

You have a higher standard of living than me. I can live cheap and get by ok. Do wish I could afford an ATV for work and some fun but I don't NEED it here. My house has been paid off for ten years. Smartest thing I ever did was buy a cheap house with cash so in 10 months when your place is paid for it will open a lot of new doors for you to gig more and work less, which is what I wanted and did. Congratulations on getting it done on the house!

 

[Ben Waylin]

You have a higher standard of living than me. I can live cheap and get by ok. Do wish I could afford an ATV for work and some fun but I don't NEED it here. My house has been paid off for ten years. Smartest thing I ever did was buy a cheap house with cash so in 10 months when your place is paid for it will open a lot of new doors for you to gig more and work less, which is what I wanted and did. Congratulations on getting it done on the house!

Always amazes me; when you tell people you're "debt free", they think it means you "paid off your credit cards".



When you explain to them.. "No, I do not have a mortgage. I own every vehicle." Their heads either explode, or they refuse to believe you.

 

[VonBonfire]

Always amazes me; when you tell people you're "debt free", they think it means you "paid off your credit cards".



When you explain to them.. "No, I do not have a mortgage. I own every vehicle." Their heads either explode, or they refuse to believe you.

I generally don't tell people I know that I don't have a mortgage because they assume you are lying or bragging. My best friend paid cash for his house around the same time I did so all my thunder was stolen. I bought a house that needed repairs and repaired it myself, sold it, and bought land which I built a small place on. Making plans to do it again someplace cheaper than TX with more acreage. I just can't swing a 40-50 acre lot here.

 

[Ben Waylin]

I generally don't tell people I know that I don't have a mortgage because they assume you are lying or bragging. My best friend paid cash for his house around the same time I did so all my thunder was stolen. I bought a house that needed repairs and repaired it myself, sold it, and bought land which I built a small place on. Making plans to do it again someplace cheaper than TX with more acreage. I just can't swing a 40-50 acre lot here.

I paid $3,500 / acre 20 years ago when I bought this land.

The 150 acres adjacent to me just sold for $1m

 

[VonBonfire]

I paid $3,500 / acre 20 years ago when I bought this land.

The 150 acres adjacent to me just sold for $1m

I paid just under 20k per acre in '16. A slightly smaller lot down the street was listed for 250k which is about 45k per acre. It sold a few weeks ago. The lot across from that is also the same size and is listed at 220k. Neither of those lots are as nice as mine, not to sound like I'm bragging but I can see downtown from here, all they can see is some salt cedars.

I looked out towards Bandera, Pipe Creek, Kerrville, Comfort, Fredericksburg.....same kind of money to be waaaaay out there in the sticks, not conducive to gigging. I gave up on the Texas relocation scheme unless I hit the big time and can afford a place off 1888.

 

[Ben Waylin]

I paid just under 20k per acre in '16. A slightly smaller lot down the street was listed for 250k which is about 45k per acre. It sold a few weeks ago. The lot across from that is also the same size and is listed at 220k. Neither of those lots are as nice as mine, not to sound like I'm bragging but I can see downtown from here, all they can see is some salt cedars.

I looked out towards Bandera, Pipe Creek, Kerrville, Comfort, Fredericksburg.....same kind of money to be waaaaay out there in the sticks, not conducive to gigging. I gave up on the Texas relocation scheme unless I hit the big time and can afford a place off 1888.

Given what's soon to come, it's best to be as rural as possible.

All the landowners around me are "like minded" people.

Your mileage may vary.

 

[VonBonfire]

Given what's soon to come, it's best to be as rural as possible.

All the landowners around me are "like minded" people.

Your mileage may vary.

Agreed. But I don't think I have the time to make a cross country move and make it all happen. I think my best bet is to sit tight until after the election and make my play after that so that's my plan, for better or worse. It's in the Lord's hands.

 

[70 Mach 1]

i see my residential UPS guy working after 8PM on many nights

struggling to see house addresses on dimly lit long island streets is no joke.

up and in and out of that truck all day in all kinds of weather. not for me

but $49 an hour is a decent living plus bennys. theyre doing better than me.

 

[Stumplegriltskin]

100% failure to deliver on time these days.

Oh but there was a snowflake the other day, hence the 8 day delay. Agree, for the prices they charge, their service SUCKS. But people don't seem to care. Nation of pacifists and pansies.

 

[Laputan Machine]

Oh but there was a snowflake the other day, hence the 8 day delay. Agree, for the prices they charge, their service SUCKS. But people don't seem to care. Nation of pacifists and pansies.

>10 years from now
>b bb bbut Covid

 

[Ben Waylin]

>b bb bbut Covid

Butt Covid ?

Oh Lort !

Thanks LGBTQCIAKGB community !

 

[Laputan Machine]

Is getting up out of a driver seat, picking up some things, walking a little bit then getting back in the truck really that bad? I'm either standing pretty much all day with a little bit of walking around on a shop floor or sitting at a computer all day doing computer shit. Intermittent movement/rest seems very much preferable than being stagnant all day.