G12M-25 Versions?

LPMojoGL said:
I've had 4 different versions:
GB RI, China & UK
6402 cones
Heritage/EVH
Greyback RIC cones


My fav are the GB RI. Have a 4x12 loaded with the UKs. Best sounding cab I've had.
6402s were too dark unless pushed, like G12-65s.
Heritage were too smooth, less punchy, but good of you need a quieter speaker.
RICs, they had that vintage vibe going on. 2nd fav. They had a sound, not as versatile. Probably my fav if I could always crank it.
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Thoughts on reissue Chinese vs UK?
 
Greazygeo said:
I contacted Scumback and he said he makes a version of the T1511’s I liked. I still have two that were reconed by another company about 20 years ago. Have hated them ever since, may let him try reconing them again and then buy a couple of his for my old cab. Then get a 65 watt pair for my 212 cab.
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Scumbackmakes the best cone and do the best re-cone for those Pulsonic era Greenbacks. I would imagine you're going to like it.

Exo-metal said:
I hate those. I would never spend the money on speakers I know I will smoke. If they could handle more power that might be worth it but it's not.
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They actually do take a lot of punishment. Not as much as the 25 or 30 watts, for obvious reasons, but they are not a fragile speaker by any means.
Especially you running a master volume amp, with both master and gain bellow 2:00, you should be fine with them. I've been using them with a 65 JTM-45 and a 67 50w JMP, both on 10 all the time, or two cabs with a 66 JTM45-100(output measured at 180w) cracked, all that for almost 20 years and they are just fine.
Again, as long as you don't run a 100 head with everything on 10, or a very loud amp with a fuzz pedal(speaker voice coils absolute hate square wave), you'll be fine.
Well, EVH never blew the ones in his main 4x12, that he owns since VH-1. And those were his all time fave speakers. The G12m-20 75 hz.
 
SBlue said:
Scumbackmakes the best cone and do the best re-cone for those Pulsonic era Greenbacks. I would imagine you're going to like it.


They actually do take a lot of punishment. Not as much as the 25 or 30 watts, for obvious reasons, but they are not a fragile speaker by any means.
Especially you running a master volume amp, with both master and gain bellow 2:00, you should be fine with them. I've been using them with a 65 JTM-45 and a 67 50w JMP, both on 10 all the time, or two cabs with a 66 JTM45-100(output measured at 180w) cracked, all that for almost 20 years and they are just fine.
Again, as long as you don't run a 100 head with everything on 10, or a very loud amp with a fuzz pedal(speaker voice coils absolute hate square wave), you'll be fine.
Well, EVH never blew the ones in his main 4x12, that he owns since VH-1. And those were his all time fave speakers. The G12m-20 75 hz.
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I ran my 20’s for a long time with my 100 watt plexi on 6. Never killed one. They just got tired.
 
There is so many variables between different rigs and players it is not exactly surprising individuals have very different experiences.

I prefer modern gear. But seem to waste a lot of time trying get vintage sounds out of it.
 
Exo-metal said:
An expensive risk these days...
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Greazygeo said:
Yeah I am not rolling the dice on 50+ year old speakers. The Scumback version is interesting.
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And that's not even the tip of the iceberg.
First you have to find the cabinet and buy it, which is not easy or cheap at all. Then you have to pray so both they are originals, and not re-covered or re-coned. Once that's settled, you have to pray so both the cab sounds good and the speakers are healthy. If both are good, and they sound great together, THEN you'll have a great sounding cab. Problem is, most likely you will, sooner or later, find another one of the exactly same that sounds better, and you'll start all over again.
Since 1998, I've owned and sold, easily, more than 40 basketweave cabs, to personally play, inspect and listen to all of them side by side, and cherry pick what I have.
Same with amps and guitars.
Not cheap or easy at all, but I finally can enjoy the gear I always wanted, and not have to wonder about upgrading it.
Is it worth doing it? To 99% of people out there, absolutely not. To me? Worth every minute and every cent I've worked for and invested on.
Again, I'm the exception here.
 
SBlue said:
And that's not even the tip of the iceberg.
First you have to find the cabinet and buy it, which is not easy or cheap at all. Then you have to pray so both they are originals, and not re-covered or re-coned. Once that's settled, you have to pray so both the cab sounds good and the speakers are healthy. If both are good, and they sound great together, THEN you'll have a great sounding cab. Problem is, most likely you will, sooner or later, find another one of the exactly same that sounds better, and you'll start all over again.
Since 1998, I've owned and sold, easily, more than 40 basketweave cabs, to personally play, inspect and listen to all of them side by side, and cherry pick what I have.
Same with amps and guitars.
Not cheap or easy at all, but I finally can enjoy the gear I always wanted, and not have to wonder about upgrading it.
Is it worth doing it? To 99% of people out there, absolutely not. To me? Worth every minute and every cent I've worked for and invested on.
Again, I'm the exception here.
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Yep, cool you were able to do that. Can’t imagine doing that nowadays. I used to do the same thing, buy up about every Marshall head that popped up around me (late 80’s early 90’s). Kept the good ones. They were affordable back then. $300-400 average. Wasn’t able to do that as much with cabs. Were not that many around. I did score a basketweave cab mid 80’s with the T1511’s and used it quite awhile. Pretty nice condition. Early 90’s scored another with same speakers but really beat up for $250.00. Sounded way different and I liked it more. Still have both, but that beat up one is still best cab Ive had.
 
I already have a cab (Bogner). Just looking for speakers. Currently has the stock V30/G12T-75 combo, but not digging those.
 
Greazygeo said:
Yep, cool you were able to do that. Can’t imagine doing that nowadays. I used to do the same thing, buy up about every Marshall head that popped up around me (late 80’s early 90’s). Kept the good ones. They were affordable back then. $300-400 average. Wasn’t able to do that as much with cabs. Were not that many around. I did score a basketweave cab mid 80’s with the T1511’s and used it quite awhile. Pretty nice condition. Early 90’s scored another with same speakers but really beat up for $250.00. Sounded way different and I liked it more. Still have both, but that beat up one is still best cab Ive had.
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I agree with you. And I must admit you did it at an even better time than me. I've started it in 1998. Was lucky to be in Los Angeles, where there was quite a bit of cool gear being sold at time. And during the 2000s, while at Hollywood Vintage, I used to have first shot at the gear we got at the store. That's where I've found quite a bit of the stuff I still have, like my 65 JTM 45 and my 71 Hiwatt DR504. I would not be able to go through not even a quarter of the gear I had back in the day with todays market price and scarcity. Yeah, those were the days!
 
Agree on the G12C's. I had a VM cab a long time ago and foolishly sold it to fund an amp. Got another pair from Mojo that were badged as "Watchtowers" at a later date. Wanted more and ordered a couple more Watchtowers later on and come to find out they weren't G12C's anymore........just regular GB Reissues. I felt violated!

The G12C's are a bit brighter, tighter, and oddly louder than the Reissues. They work better for really high gain IMO. I'm always looking for more.

Regarding the EVH, I didn't really care for them in the straight EVH cab.........but they are perfect in my angled 1960AX. I think that is because they have less mids than the Reissues and they are better on my ears coming off the slant.

I also have Chinese and UK Reissues on hand. The newer UK ones are a bit darker and not as aggressive as the Chinese in the high mids. I could be happy with either depending on the amp/application. However, my Chinese ones are currently in my closet.

I hate the 65w Creamback and don't understand the high wattage greenback claim. And I don't care for the Scumback BM-75's to be honest. They are too smooth and mid oriented to my eras. But I know people love them.

Right now, my favorite cab is the 1960AX with EVH up top and UK Reissues on bottom. I had them in an X pattern, but the Reissues were noticeably louder and it was a little unbalanced.

And for a sleeper speaker..........I also love the WGS Invader. I have a 2x12 with them that gets plugged into a LOT.
 
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