Good Celestions for hard rock in a 412???

[Gainzilla]

Excuse me did someone say they wanted a Creamback?

LMAO!!!! Remember that thread years ago on HCAF entitled " I want a speaker cabinet that projects like Peter North"? That had me laughing for days...

 

[tripstan]

Greenies sound like what your after. But I do agree w/ fourT6and2 that the 65's sound incredible when you can crank your amp and hit them hard

 

[richedie]

Since it is a 412 with 50 watt heads, I am thinking 25 watt Celestions..G1265s are way too dark with my Bogner and PWE.

Maybe Splawn Small Blocks.

 

[FourT6and2]

Since it is a 412 with 50 watt heads, I am thinking 25 watt Celestions..G1265s are way too dark with my Bogner and PWE.

Maybe Splawn Small Blocks.

G12-65 speakers are dark, yes. And that's why I like them. They pair well with brighter amps or amps with an upper-mid emphasis.

 

[richedie]

G12-65s? Dark....
They would work well with my Splawn, but not my Bogner or PWE. Plus I already have similar speakers in my Stone Age with the Creamback/Lynchback mix.

I talked to some guys who use Splawn Small Blocks and say Heritage and Reissue Celestion Greenies sound better!

Quotes:

At the first Splawn Con there was a cab loaded w/ SB25's and a cab w/ Herritage greens. I played both. To me they were a bit different. I thought the Herritage cab sounded the best out of the 4 or so 4X12 cabs there to play thru but not enough to justify the price difference.

my splawn 4x12 is loaded with the G12M reissue greenies..sound great at a fraction of the cost..you just have to dial your amp in a bit differently to tighten them up if you're using second or third gear...

 

[FourT6and2]

I already have similar speakers in my Stone Age with the Creamback/Lynchback mix.

Can you describe the G12M-65 Creamback and Lynchback a little? I'm thinking the new Creambacks would be good for me. I switched from Greebacks to 80's G12-65s because the Greenies couldn't handle the power of my amps. If the new Creambacks are literally jut high-powered Greenbacks (which is what the old 65s are, but with larger dust covers which cuts down on highs and upper mids) then I may try 'em.

No clue what the Lynchbacks are, though.

I talked to some guys who use Splawn Small Blocks and say Heritage and Reissue Celestion Greenies sound better!

Sound better than what? G12-65s?

 

[richedie]

The Splawn guys I talked to who were at the Splawn conference said the cabinet loaded with Greenback reissues sounded better than the Splawn Small Blocks.

There are clips available, but this is from my Celestion contact:

"The Creamback has more traditional mids and sounds like you'd expect a greenback to sound. It's just like the Heritage Greenback with more low-end grunt, but not it's not dark or tired sounding. The Lynchback has a a little less Greenback sizzle on top, and the mids are more mellow. It also has a punch low-end. The G12-65 is overall darker.
They have similar low end, except the CB's have traditional Greenback mids whereas the Lynchback may seem a bit more scooped (but not to the point of sounding overly modern). They still have a vintage vibe. The CB's sound like a Heritage GB with a bigger punchier low-end. We did this so they would sound 'big' in both 1x12 or 2x12 cabs, open or closed."

Since I don't need a Greenback designed for a 112 or 212, I decided to go true Greenback in my 412. My Stone Age is going to have the mix of Creamback and Lynchback. I also thought of just doing 4 Creambacks in a 412 but man, that is way too expensive. I may not even do the EVH or Heritage for that reason and just to plain Greenbacks, used. :O)

 

[FourT6and2]

Cool, thanks.

 

[richedie]

So I talked to Bogner and they said skip Greenbacks and go V30s mixed with something else like G12-65s or G12H-30s. They said Greenbacks sound great, but since I have the 20th Anniversary Shiva I would want the big tight throaty bottom end that the heavier magnets produce.

 

[glassjaw7]

The 65 watt Weber Legacies (35oz mags) are among the best speakers I've ever played! Recently switched to them and I couldn't be happier. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

 

[richedie]

I n't rule out going back to an old favorite - V30/T-75 mix....or V30/G12-65 mix.

 

[richedie]

This is the plan:
Bogner 212 - V30s
Stone Age 212 - Celestion Creambacks
Splawn 412 - Celestion RI Greenbacks

This is all good because RI Greens are cheap, especially used! Especially since the Creambacks for my Stone Age 212 are costing me well over $300!

I got these reviews from some good resources and friends:

I've owned 4x12 cabs loaded with both the Heritage G12M's and the standard RI Greenbacks and I greatly prefer the standard RI Greenbacks over the more expensive Heritage version in every regard.
I prefer the standard RI Greenbacks because to my ears they have more mids and a stronger low end then the Heritage G12M's. I find that when pushed hard the standard RI's additional midrange really fattens up the tone, and the low end responds in a way that really "feels" great - the low end has some compression and give, yet still has punch and chunk when you attack the strings.
The Heritage G12M's sound good at very low volumes, but they are very inefficient, have less mids, and crunch up real quick when you start to push them a bit. Almost too much to the point where they sound taxed and ragged.
Also, I found the Heritage G12M to be completely lacking in low end punch when you lay into them at higher volumes. Instead of having that cool combination of compression and punch like the standard RI does, the low end on the Heritage G12M compresses and completely disappears - and I hated the fact that those speakers completely neutered the balls of my vintage Marshall amps.
A 4x12 loaded with Heritage G12M's is an EXTREMELY sedate sounding cab in terms of volume and response. I also owned a 2x12 loaded with standard RI Greenbacks and my 2x12 with the standard RI's was louder and punchier than my 4x12 loaded with the Heritage G12M's.
My amps are pre - '73 non master volume Marshalls and I go for those classic Marshall tones of the late 60's & early 70's - and FWIW, I find the standard RI Greenbacks to have more of that vintage mojo than the Heritage G12M's. Of course as with anything concerning tone - YMMV.

I had matching 212 cabs for a while, one with reissue Greenbacks and one with Heritage Ms and in the end I prefered the reissue Greens. The Heritage speakers sounded good, but just didn't have the punch and thump of the reissue Greens. Both sets of speakers were well broken in so break-in wasn't an factor in my findings.

i have tested a lot of greenback speakers lately - after a long test-period my order would be:

standard greenback
heritage greenback

 

[richedie]

Of course now I am considering my original plan which was 4 Lynchbacks in my 412....but they are rather clean speakers, with some Fane qualities. Either that or RI Greenbacks.

 

[sled]

Ignore what Celestion said. Greenbacks (G12M) have been used for decades for all sorts of musical styles.

I wouldn't totally discount the Celestion advice and here's why. With a heavily distorted tone, the speaker gets little time to rest (cool down). If the speakers are driven hard for an extended period (a set) it's very possible to blow one due to the speaker's inability to dissipate the heat. It's not a power thing per se. I have blown 150W speakers with less than 100w.

 

[richedie]

I ended up doing 4 Heritage Greens.

 

[richedie]

So guys I am SICK of my Splawn cab being empty! I have two fresh Lynchbacks waiting to be installed and I am not waiting for Celestion Creambacks nor paying the money. I decided on used Greenbacks. What you all recommend, EVH, Heritage or Reissue Greenbacks. I want this over with! LOL.

So, I am doing one of the following:
Lynchback/G12-65
Lynchback/Heritage GB
Lynchback/Reissue GB

 

[stemlife]

A vote for V30 and CL80 combo. Sounds good to me!!!

 

[richedie]

A vote for V30 and CL80 combo. Sounds good to me!!!

Thanks. Too heavy and already have that tone covered in another cab.

 

[richedie]

Regular old Greenbacks (G12M) will do the trick. They handle hard rock and even modern metal quite well as long as you keep the power down. If you're using 50 watt amps, you'll be fine.

I use Greenbacks with my Diezel VH4 and Ceriatone Chupacabra and they're awesome. I also have a 4x12 with G12-65's that rocks. But the 65's need to be turned up super loud to sound good. But by good, I mean incredibly fanfuckingtastic.

My rec. would be normal G12Ms.

Here's a clip of 'em with my Chupa:

What did you mean about keeping the power down? How do you do that if you have a 100 watt head? Do you mean just keep your volume lower at gigs?
My Mesa is 100 watts and I have a Quickrod on the way, also 100 watts.

What is the Chupa amp? Have never heard of it before your post....

 

[metalmaniac93]

Love the Chupa!! One bad ass amp especially for the price!!!