duesentrieb
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the drawing looks like my crapGainfreak":78635 said:
Gainfreak
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duesentrieb":872a6 said:the drawing looks like my crapGainfreak":872a6 said:
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duesentrieb
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I didn't try the Diodes thing yet, Ralph. But Mark is/was absolutely correct: its more transparent than any other master I've tried.Gainfreak":e2006 said:duesentrieb":e2006 said:the drawing looks like my crapGainfreak":e2006 said:
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Gainfreak
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duesentrieb":74b2e said:
Im going to try it as soon as I learn WTF I am doing!! There is a guy on the metro site who is going to give it a whirl. Ill follow his lead if I like what I hear. So far, Im pretty sure Im going to love it because i liked Marks clip and he recorded it with a laptop mic!!!
duesentrieb
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You seriously think that you will ever know what you're doing?
Have a nice weekend !!!
Have a nice weekend !!!
Gainfreak
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duesentrieb":ebfd1 said:You seriously think that you will ever know what you're doing?
Have a nice weekend !!!
no
Have a good one brother!!
Capulin Overdrive
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so if one were to call George and order a Plexi kit with Ralle specs and the stuff to do the Jose master that would pretty much be the Cats Meow?
what about trannies and caps? i was thinking MM trannies, German instead of JJ, and Soza?
what about trannies and caps? i was thinking MM trannies, German instead of JJ, and Soza?
Gainfreak
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Capulin Overdrive":3db4a said:
To be honest with you the 12 series is alomost to Ralle's specs but you can certainly ask George and I would think that he would do it for you.
I have the MM Tannies and Zoso caps in mine. I was told that the Heyboers might be better for the VH thing but who knows.
That said, I highly recomend a master volume or hotplate otherwise your gonna kill small animals with the volume !!!
Capulin Overdrive
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Gainfreak":5024f said:Capulin Overdrive":5024f said:
To be honest with you the 12 series is alomost to Ralle's specs but you can certainly ask George and I would think that he would do it for you.
I have the MM Tannies and Zoso caps in mine. I was told that the Heyboers might be better for the VH thing but who knows.
That said, I highly recomend a master volume or hotplate otherwise your gonna kill small animals with the volume !!!
cool, i was thinking about trying to build, but may be more than i can handle?
for the 12's price, i'd want it to be able to hang with Mark's new amp line, otherwise i'd rather wait on Mark.
i like the EVH tone, but as some have mentioned, i'd like to start there and get just a little more.
MrDan666
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Congrats on the Metroamp Ralph! And thanks for posting that pic of the Jose Master!
Im wondering if i can take out the stock master volume in my stock 2203 and replace it with the Jose Master?.. If so, il buy the parts and do it asap!
Im wondering if i can take out the stock master volume in my stock 2203 and replace it with the Jose Master?.. If so, il buy the parts and do it asap!
mentoneman
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my precious bro bro!
i would LOVE to hear you fire up your metro amp and lay down some gain sauce clips ala vh!
you know how much i love the ralle sound, and rockstah has also pegged it, so i'm sure someone with your ears will also be able to knock one out of the park.
the strange thing about this whole brown sound deal is that it seems that there are really no magic parts involved, so why did it take so long to reproduce a tone that has been around for 30 years?
i still think vic was the first to get it close in a production amp with the peacemaker, and in some ways modernizing the vh tone, but ralle and rockstah are refining it very nicely with the gain/touch sensitivity based on what i'm hearing.
i'll be really interested to hear what vic has up his sleeve for a 2 channel mojave amp in light of these developments!
i would LOVE to hear you fire up your metro amp and lay down some gain sauce clips ala vh!
you know how much i love the ralle sound, and rockstah has also pegged it, so i'm sure someone with your ears will also be able to knock one out of the park.
the strange thing about this whole brown sound deal is that it seems that there are really no magic parts involved, so why did it take so long to reproduce a tone that has been around for 30 years?
i still think vic was the first to get it close in a production amp with the peacemaker, and in some ways modernizing the vh tone, but ralle and rockstah are refining it very nicely with the gain/touch sensitivity based on what i'm hearing.
i'll be really interested to hear what vic has up his sleeve for a 2 channel mojave amp in light of these developments!
Gainfreak
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MrDan666":f2dab said:
I think you can Dan but the whole thing is beyond me at the moment and methinks that you should ask the guys on the metro site. I'm pretty sure that Rockstah is working on the Jose MV as we speak!
Gainfreak
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Hey Brother!!mentoneman":ae3bb said:
Im willing to bet that EVH got his tone from just a few secrets and some help from Jose. I don't think that there were any major crazy mods done to his marshall but Im sure that there were a few things done to the amp that would hop up the gain a bit like the 330 cap that everyone talks about.
If I had to guess what he did, Methinks that on the VanHalen disc, he reamped his main marshall into the front end of another amp using a loadbox that Mark Cameron showed me.
On VHII Im sure that there was the Jose Master volume done on his amp.
I have a few clips of the Metro and although Im not 100% there yet, It is an amazing sounding amp.
I think the reason why no one back in the day has captured that tone is because of how EVH hooked up his amps and the Jose MV. Lets face it, plenty of guys including myself cranked there plexis on 10 through greenies and I can assure you that there is more going on.
mentoneman
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it really is amazing just how much the characteristics of a non master plexi style amp changes when you apply the load box principle to the equation.
plugging straight in at moderate volumes, the peacemaker will barely break up and you crave a serious overdrive pedal to do the grinding, but used as a loaded head dimed and reamped, it saturates and gets nice and spongy and chirpy, with that blaring car horn chord clarity, to the point that the same drive pedal from before turns everything to mush, and a different type of pedal like a very clean boost becomes more desireable.
plugging straight in at moderate volumes, the peacemaker will barely break up and you crave a serious overdrive pedal to do the grinding, but used as a loaded head dimed and reamped, it saturates and gets nice and spongy and chirpy, with that blaring car horn chord clarity, to the point that the same drive pedal from before turns everything to mush, and a different type of pedal like a very clean boost becomes more desireable.
Gainfreak
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mentoneman":16a23 said:
Tis True every bit of it and that's why I think a lot of guys did not get that sound back in the day. When I cranked my plexi head in the 80's it sounded like early AC/DC................ Not Back in black AC/DC but the earlier stuff which actually had less gain.
How EVH hoked his stuff up is the Key along with the Tweaks that Jose did. Im certain he had a Master volume installed. he still cranked the crap out of the amp but the master adds a certain thing to the sound. I think thta more people will believe when Mark(Rockstah) Posts clips of the Jose master.
I think Everything that Mark Cameron has said is pretty much spot on and I agree with him 100%.
YOU ROCK Bruthah!!
~R~
mentoneman
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Gainfreak":4692b said:
the master thing sounds like it enhances the power tube *compression* and breakup factor, which gives it that looser legatoey thing, and then it becomes more a matter of eq shaping away the buldging lows as the highs seem to compress into a pretty smooth tone naturally.
that's why vic normally rolls the bass volume off off the peacemaker to clear up the lows and let the cab resonate clearly ala george lynch "sacred groove", demartini "you're in love/lay it down" and landau "i'm buzzed"
i think that's what the queensryche boys referred to as the "aunch" tone...like revving a dirt bike where the initial attack is fatter and the bite almost comes after the punch.
it always made sense to me that if you could derive your breakup/gain from the power tubes instead of the preamp tubes it would sound bigger and clearer and less fizzy, although based on my experience, it is much less fluttery hair trigger robogain, and treble notes have way more dynamics and authority.
guys like paul gilbert, vai, and guthrie could make huge tone improvements if they went more in that direction.
ratter
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Wait. Stop the press!
The key to the tone (this week) is the MXR Dist+!!!
The key to the tone (this week) is the MXR Dist+!!!
MrDan666
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Gainfreak":64495 said:
Yeah thats what i will do Ralphie! I got a pretty good understanding of how to mod Marshalls and tweak the components inside, so it wont take me long to hook up the jose master. Im going to order the 2204 PTP replacement board from George, put my amp back to stock 2204 wiring, and then try the jose master volume! Im lookin forward to trying it!!
Gainfreak
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mentoneman":c68c0 said:
Well said Bruthah well said!!
Gainfreak
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ratter":03135 said:Wait. Stop the press!
The key to the tone (this week) is the MXR Dist+!!!
yeah, Im not hearing it. It's really scary because I think that some of ralles and Marks clips are pretty much killer and closer then the MXR clip. Teh MXr is adding a compression to the tone that I don't hear in VH. I guess that's part of the chasing teh dragon thang