Graphic or Parametric EQ for FX LOOP

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Hey all.

I would like to run an EQ in my FX Loop.

I am looking to clean up two Mesa Tremoverbs.

I want to get rid of the mud.

Improve attack.

And kinda tone shape...just a little.

But mostly get rid of mud, as this will help to tighten it up and clean it up a little, allowing it to be more musical.

What do you suggest?

I want it to go into my rack and service two amps, so it has to be a dual or stereo (not sure that is correct) EQ.

Thanks all.
 
The Kerry King MXR 10 band has two outs on it. It's best used as a Boost to shape the guitar tone in front of an amp. If you want to use something in the loop I find Parametric rack EQ's have the most tone shaping ability for use in the loop.

Seems like you would benefit from something like a Maxon od808, or tube screamer of some type... They work good with recto's to tighten them up and add a bit of bite. You can do the same with a EQ pedal too, in a frown shape. I use a 1970's MXR 6 band in front of my amps, and it gives them a bit of a gain kick. Great pedal.
 
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The Kerry King MXR 10 band has two outs on it. It's best used as a Boost to shape the guitar tone in front of an amp. If you want to use something in the loop I find Parametric rack EQ's have the most tone shaping ability for use in the loop.

Seems like you would benefit from something like a Maxon od808, or tube screamer of some type... They work good with recto's to tighten them up and add a bit of bite. You can do the same with a EQ pedal too, in a frown shape. I use a 1970's MXR 6 band in front of my amps, and it gives them a bit of a gain kick. Great pedal.
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I want to get rid of the mud.

Improve attack.

And kinda tone shape...just a little.

With what you're describing, I'd be reaching for a tube screamer. An eq up front will do it too, but I still prefer a ts most of the time because they are usually much quieter than an eq.

An eq in the loop is awesome too, but you won't be able to achieve the same thing as boosting up front and vice versa. Like said above, a para eq is much more tweakable. Graphics are awesome too and are much easier, but you're limited by the frequencies of the sliders, which may or may not matter. To use the same unit with both amps you'd need something with two in's and out's like a TC 2240 or Furman PQ6. Beyond that I don't know...
 
Parameteric EQ hands down. You may also want to invest in an ISP Decimator as well. They have several products, all of them superb!
 
I am a little confused, as anything up front changes what goes into the preamp...right.

I "think" I am trying to change what comes after the preamp or effect the output of the preamp.

So, by putting something after the preamp and before the amp, I am sort of cleaning up the crap the preamp is output to the amp...right.

I use the Xotic AC, RC and BB preamp in front of my amp, but only to use as a boost with the gain channel or for different sound with the clean channel.

So they essentially do what you are describing, but without the same circuitry as the Maxxon etc that you all mentioned.

I was very successful with the TC in the loop and yes, it was a parametric EQ. I get that the limitations of the graphic EQ are such that you must have the frequency you wish to adjust be available to you.

This leads me to believe that maybe a 31 band is better than a 15 band.

I think I will take a look at what my settings were on the TC and compare that to the most popular guitar EQs out there, as that may be a real indicator of whether or not I need the extra 15 bands.

Much thought is still necessary before I act on this and I thank you all for your advice.

Feel free to contribute more if you wish.
 
You absolutely positively must try clean boosting it with a tube screamer. I use a brown modded Maxon OD-9 and I love it. Set it with the level on max, gain off, and tone to taste and it will tighten it up and give it more attack.
 
When someone complains about mud with a Recto I usually suggest:

1) turn down the bass

2) take a serious look at your pickups (garbage in = garbage out)

3) if it's been awhile then it might be time for new power tubes and/or phase inverter.

4) remember that the treble knob is the most powerful on the amp and that adjusting it can shift the mid and bottom end voice.

Anyway, if you're hell bent on getting an EQ Mesa makes a pedal with the Mark's EQ in it.

IMO, a parametric EQ really excels at making surgical cuts/boosts on very specific frequencies. If you're after a more general tone shaping you'll probably be well served with a graphic, particularly if you intend on adjusting it for each room.
 
I get the OD in the front...without any gain.

Actually I originally bought the RC for that purpose.

I used no gain and instead cranked the volume until I heard a noticeable difference in volume when A/B'd.

It actually sounded great and allowed tone shaping with the treble and bass knobs.



The power tubes are new... =C=.

The phase inverter tube is part of a tube roll I did, to clean up the amp...It is a 12AT7WC JAN Philips.

I don't really push the bass on the amp...maybe about half way, and the treble, which reduces bass when at higher levels and increases bass when at lower levels, is higher than half way.

Mids are at about 1/4 and presence on both channels is above half way.

All I can say is that using the TC in the loop really corrected the problem.

I think I have a post that clearly indicates what frequencies need adjusting.

I will find this post and update.

Edit/ here it is.

Reduce 200Hz, increase 100Hz and increase 700Hz to 800Hz.

So, I looked again at the EQs...a 31 band is close, but yes I would love to have a parametric...but a rack mount parametric is so expensive that I could just buy another TC G Major.


Thanks for all the great stuff...
 
Check eBay for rack ParaEQ. Can get them for around $100
 
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