Help A Newbie Spend, Spend, Spend - Marshall, SLO or.... ?

[Conky]

Well actually had some time with a SLO, which was a bit surprising since I didn't think there were any to be found around here.

I'm going to pass on getting one. First, the cleans weren't bad but don't come close to my Hiwatt (or frankly even my Mesa). For a vintage vibe, again, it doesn't better the Hiwatt with a King of Tone or even an old vintage Rat (or perhaps a modded SD1). Forget about the Hiwatt cranked.... Craziness perhaps, but hey, I really like my Hiwatt. In terms of more modern gain, I don't buy into some of the complaints people have about this amp being overly bright, harsh, etc. If you know how to eq, it will sound fine and then some.

So why am I not getting it? For better or for worse, it has it's own thing going on. Unfortunately, there is a ton of overlap between the SLO and my Tremoverb. Let me rephrase, there is a overlap that is not worth the nearly $2,000 premium. The SLO is a better lead amp, but don't think it's necessarily a better rhythm amp than the Mesa. I'm a lead player, but its too much money for a marginal improvement on a similar tone.

Next up, Marshall land. I have a '81 JCM 2203 in the pipeline thats being repaired. Not sure what the problem is, and if it's too sever will pass on purchasing it. The YJM looks interesting, but really thinking about just getting a vintage Plexi.

Btw, the Vintage Modern - not to offend, but what the "f" is that thing???? Yikes....

I had no idea that you had a Trem-O-Verb. Yeah, the SLO may overlap. I think it has a little different type of gain structure than a Mesa Rectifier-type amp, but there is some overlap depending on settings.

So, the Marshalls (like a 2203) have been around forever and may give you a great near-polar-opposite of the Trem-O-Verb. For that matter the Bogner, would be another opposite to what you have, but I think most people love or hate them, and if you can't try one, it may not be worth the gamble.

Thanks, man, you've been very helpful (as have others). Not to throw you for a further loop, but what do you think about the MK II/III/IVs as a solution and even possibly a replacement for the Tremo? Had some time with a MKV and it was really nice...

 

[FourT6and2]

What cab/speakers?

Huh? Dude, I'm not looking for advice on a SLO clone....

Huh? Dude, I'm just curious what cab/speakers you were using with the SLO you tried. What's with the attitude?

 

[Conky]

What cab/speakers?

Huh? Dude, I'm not looking for advice on a SLO clone....

Huh? Dude, I'm just curious what cab/speakers you were using with the SLO you tried. What's with the attitude?

No, attitude - your question is just irrelevant and will side track discussions. I'm looking for thoughts from people who have actually owned/used these amps - sorry if that ruffled your feathers, I'm sure your clone is nice.

 

[FourT6and2]

What cab/speakers?

Huh? Dude, I'm not looking for advice on a SLO clone....

Huh? Dude, I'm just curious what cab/speakers you were using with the SLO you tried. What's with the attitude?

No, attitude - your question is just irrelevant and will side track discussions. I'm looking for thoughts from people who have actually owned/used these amps - sorry if that ruffled your feathers, I'm sure your clone is nice.

WTF does this have to do with my clone? I was just curious what speakers you were using. This ruffled my feathers because I wasn't asking the question to convince you to buy an SLO or something. I was merely curious. Hell, if you look at my first post in this thread you'll see that I thought Bogner would be a better fit based on what you were looking for. And I've owned and/or used all these amps you're talking about.

 

[Conky]

What cab/speakers?

Huh? Dude, I'm not looking for advice on a SLO clone....

Huh? Dude, I'm just curious what cab/speakers you were using with the SLO you tried. What's with the attitude?

No, attitude - your question is just irrelevant and will side track discussions. I'm looking for thoughts from people who have actually owned/used these amps - sorry if that ruffled your feathers, I'm sure your clone is nice.

WTF does this have to do with my clone? I was just curious what speakers you were using. This ruffled my feathers because I wasn't asking the question to convince you to buy an SLO or something. I was merely curious. Hell, if you look at my first post in this thread you'll see that I thought Bogner would be a better fit based on what you were looking for. And I've owned and/or used all these amps you're talking about.

You're a strange one, dreamy avatar pic and all.

 

[FourT6and2]

What cab/speakers?

Huh? Dude, I'm not looking for advice on a SLO clone....

Huh? Dude, I'm just curious what cab/speakers you were using with the SLO you tried. What's with the attitude?

No, attitude - your question is just irrelevant and will side track discussions. I'm looking for thoughts from people who have actually owned/used these amps - sorry if that ruffled your feathers, I'm sure your clone is nice.

WTF does this have to do with my clone? I was just curious what speakers you were using. This ruffled my feathers because I wasn't asking the question to convince you to buy an SLO or something. I was merely curious. Hell, if you look at my first post in this thread you'll see that I thought Bogner would be a better fit based on what you were looking for. And I've owned and/or used all these amps you're talking about.

Good to know, thanks for stopping by - great avatar btw. lol

Good luck getting help from people with an attitude like this. 13 Posts in on this forum and you're already starting shit with people.

 

[FourT6and2]

What cab/speakers?

Huh? Dude, I'm not looking for advice on a SLO clone....

Huh? Dude, I'm just curious what cab/speakers you were using with the SLO you tried. What's with the attitude?

No, attitude - your question is just irrelevant and will side track discussions. I'm looking for thoughts from people who have actually owned/used these amps - sorry if that ruffled your feathers, I'm sure your clone is nice.

WTF does this have to do with my clone? I was just curious what speakers you were using. This ruffled my feathers because I wasn't asking the question to convince you to buy an SLO or something. I was merely curious. Hell, if you look at my first post in this thread you'll see that I thought Bogner would be a better fit based on what you were looking for. And I've owned and/or used all these amps you're talking about.

You're a strange one, dreamy avatar pic and all.

This is a joke right? I ask a simple question about speakers and you flip out...

 

[Conky]

What cab/speakers?

Huh? Dude, I'm not looking for advice on a SLO clone....

Huh? Dude, I'm just curious what cab/speakers you were using with the SLO you tried. What's with the attitude?

No, attitude - your question is just irrelevant and will side track discussions. I'm looking for thoughts from people who have actually owned/used these amps - sorry if that ruffled your feathers, I'm sure your clone is nice.

WTF does this have to do with my clone? I was just curious what speakers you were using. This ruffled my feathers because I wasn't asking the question to convince you to buy an SLO or something. I was merely curious. Hell, if you look at my first post in this thread you'll see that I thought Bogner would be a better fit based on what you were looking for. And I've owned and/or used all these amps you're talking about.

Good to know, thanks for stopping by - great avatar btw. lol

Good luck getting help from people with an attitude like this. 13 Posts in on this forum and you're already starting shit with people.

Whatever, dude, good luck on trying an SLO someday - would make your comparisons and commentary on them even more valid!

 

[FourT6and2]

What cab/speakers?

Huh? Dude, I'm not looking for advice on a SLO clone....

Huh? Dude, I'm just curious what cab/speakers you were using with the SLO you tried. What's with the attitude?

No, attitude - your question is just irrelevant and will side track discussions. I'm looking for thoughts from people who have actually owned/used these amps - sorry if that ruffled your feathers, I'm sure your clone is nice.

WTF does this have to do with my clone? I was just curious what speakers you were using. This ruffled my feathers because I wasn't asking the question to convince you to buy an SLO or something. I was merely curious. Hell, if you look at my first post in this thread you'll see that I thought Bogner would be a better fit based on what you were looking for. And I've owned and/or used all these amps you're talking about.

Good to know, thanks for stopping by - great avatar btw. lol

Good luck getting help from people with an attitude like this. 13 Posts in on this forum and you're already starting shit with people.

Whatever, dude, good luck on trying an SLO someday - would make your comparisons and commentary on them even more valid!

I have. Played one at Boston Guitar Works, played one at Atlanta Discount Music, and an SLO Combo at Guitar Center outside of Hartford, CT. Granted I will admit that I didn't spend enough time with any of them to really get a handle on the amp.

What's that about not wanting to side-track this thread? Who are you? You must have had some beef with me on another forum or something or this is an ALT account. What, I insult your mom or something? Got to be a reason why you go off the deep end just because someone asks what kind of speakers you were using with an amp.

 

[Conky]

What cab/speakers?

Huh? Dude, I'm not looking for advice on a SLO clone....

Huh? Dude, I'm just curious what cab/speakers you were using with the SLO you tried. What's with the attitude?

No, attitude - your question is just irrelevant and will side track discussions. I'm looking for thoughts from people who have actually owned/used these amps - sorry if that ruffled your feathers, I'm sure your clone is nice.

WTF does this have to do with my clone? I was just curious what speakers you were using. This ruffled my feathers because I wasn't asking the question to convince you to buy an SLO or something. I was merely curious. Hell, if you look at my first post in this thread you'll see that I thought Bogner would be a better fit based on what you were looking for. And I've owned and/or used all these amps you're talking about.

Good to know, thanks for stopping by - great avatar btw. lol

Good luck getting help from people with an attitude like this. 13 Posts in on this forum and you're already starting shit with people.

Whatever, dude, good luck on trying an SLO someday - would make your comparisons and commentary on them even more valid!

I have. Played one at Boston Guitarworks, played one at Atlanta Discount Music, and an SLO Combo at Guitar Center outside of Hartford, CT.

What's that about not wanting to side-track this thread?

Sorry, I guess when I have actual experience with the amp in question I don't need others to tell me if my clone is similar to the real thing. Or perhaps I just misinterpreted your postings elsewhere on the SLO.... doubt it, nonetheless I don't really care. Go on, feel free to give your opinions to those not requesting it.

 

[FourT6and2]

What cab/speakers?

Huh? Dude, I'm not looking for advice on a SLO clone....

Huh? Dude, I'm just curious what cab/speakers you were using with the SLO you tried. What's with the attitude?

No, attitude - your question is just irrelevant and will side track discussions. I'm looking for thoughts from people who have actually owned/used these amps - sorry if that ruffled your feathers, I'm sure your clone is nice.

WTF does this have to do with my clone? I was just curious what speakers you were using. This ruffled my feathers because I wasn't asking the question to convince you to buy an SLO or something. I was merely curious. Hell, if you look at my first post in this thread you'll see that I thought Bogner would be a better fit based on what you were looking for. And I've owned and/or used all these amps you're talking about.

Good to know, thanks for stopping by - great avatar btw. lol

Good luck getting help from people with an attitude like this. 13 Posts in on this forum and you're already starting shit with people.

Whatever, dude, good luck on trying an SLO someday - would make your comparisons and commentary on them even more valid!

I have. Played one at Boston Guitarworks, played one at Atlanta Discount Music, and an SLO Combo at Guitar Center outside of Hartford, CT.

What's that about not wanting to side-track this thread?

Sorry, I guess when I have actual experience with the amp in question I don't need others to tell me if my clone is similar to the real thing. Or perhaps I just misinterpreted your postings elsewhere on the SLO.... doubt it, nonetheless I don't really care. Go on, feel free to give your opinions to those not requesting it.

yeah, you misinterpreted those other postings. Like I said, I've played the real thing a few times. Just not enough to really get a handle on 'em. Those three time were also yeas ago. So it's not like they are fresh in my mind. Still don't understand why you're being such a jerk about it. But whatever, I'm out. Enjoy your thread.

 

[Racerxrated]

I don't know why a Marshall would just fall apart for no reason. If you want that sound, get a Marshall and be happy.

The SLO can do a pretty convincing "Marshall" type of sound in the Crunch mode. I was pleasantly surprised. Sounds pretty good for that classic rock thing. Not exactly like a Marshall. But it will get the job done.

For the high-gain stuff, I don't play 80s shred or cock rock. I'm more in the realm of modern rock, hard rock, prog rock, and modern metal. If you want an example of SLO metal sounds, listen to anything on the Killswitch Engage live concert DVD. It was all reamped with a boosted SLO.

And the SLO doesn't need to be loud to sound good. In fact, I actually prefer it lower than louder. But it all depends on the sound you're going for and the speakers you're using. The SLO sounds great with darker speakers. I'm using G12-65s
But if I were you, from the sounds you want, I'd go with Bogner...

This. I had an SLO and you can get modern all day, but put an eq in front of it with a mid bump and it's the best modded Marshall tone I've had and I've had Camerons, Friedmans etc. Great amp. And don't believe that it doesn't sound good low, it does..it just sounds BETTER the louder you go. I also use G12 65s and with any Marshall style amp they kill. I sold it not too long ago because I needed cash but I still say it's the best amp I've had. I also have 2 stock Marshalls, a 2203 and a 2205 and they are great also. Put a boost in front of the 2203 and it's all 80s hard rock tone, double boost it and it can get really heavy. I've had a bunch of Marshalls newer and vintage and I've never had a problem with any of them. If you like a Marshall tone start off with a JCM/JMP master volume boosted and you have the tone of just about everything you heard back in the 80s and beyond. I also recommend a VHT Deliverance as it is almost as clear and powerful as my old SLO..very similar. Btw I do have an '84 2203 for sale here... Good luck!

 

[Conky]

I don't know why a Marshall would just fall apart for no reason. If you want that sound, get a Marshall and be happy.

The SLO can do a pretty convincing "Marshall" type of sound in the Crunch mode. I was pleasantly surprised. Sounds pretty good for that classic rock thing. Not exactly like a Marshall. But it will get the job done.

For the high-gain stuff, I don't play 80s shred or cock rock. I'm more in the realm of modern rock, hard rock, prog rock, and modern metal. If you want an example of SLO metal sounds, listen to anything on the Killswitch Engage live concert DVD. It was all reamped with a boosted SLO.

And the SLO doesn't need to be loud to sound good. In fact, I actually prefer it lower than louder. But it all depends on the sound you're going for and the speakers you're using. The SLO sounds great with darker speakers. I'm using G12-65s
But if I were you, from the sounds you want, I'd go with Bogner...

This. I had an SLO and you can get modern all day, but put an eq in front of it with a mid bump and it's the best modded Marshall tone I've had and I've had Camerons, Friedmans etc. Great amp. And don't believe that it doesn't sound good low, it does..it just sounds BETTER the louder you go. I also use G12 65s and with any Marshall style amp they kill. I sold it not too long ago because I needed cash but I still say it's the best amp I've had. I also have 2 stock Marshalls, a 2203 and a 2205 and they are great also. Put a boost in front of the 2203 and it's all 80s hard rock tone, double boost it and it can get really heavy. I've had a bunch of Marshalls newer and vintage and I've never had a problem with any of them. If you like a Marshall tone start off with a JCM/JMP master volume boosted and you have the tone of just about everything you heard back in the 80s and beyond. I also recommend a VHT Deliverance as it is almost as clear and powerful as my old SLO..very similar. Btw I do have an '84 2203 for sale here... Good luck!

Hi, thank you - so was my thinking about the 2203/4's effect loop incorrect? I do like modulation!

 

[Racerxrated]

You will have a loop on a reissue 2203 but they don't have the mojo of an original from the 80s. Unless you get a 2205/10 which are the channel Switchers,and only buy the 87 or newer. The 2203/4 from the 80s have no loop, unless you get it modded..the metro loop is good and about 250 for loop and labor. The slo loop is crap. I would pick up an unmodded 800 and boost it....if you need a loop you can do it later with a good tech. I have an 87 2205 that sounds killer....but it takes a while to find a good one. I've bought and returned a lot of those channel Switchers. The 2203/4s are more consistent. The 2205/10 came with an fx loop.

 

[bananaladonpcp]

Have you checked out Diezel Amps? Surprised it hasn't been mentioned yet... I mean unless you're going for that super used cookie cutter tone. If that's the case, go for the marshall.

 

[Racerxrated]

If the op likes a Marshall type tone go for a Marshall/slo. Diezel makes great amps but with as many modern rock bands using them I could say the same thing about cookie cutter tone. The only diezel I've heard in person was a vh4 and the owner liked my slo better. Sounded great if a little scooped even with mids cranked. But I liked the vh4...same used prices slo/vh4 I think. I know the slo I had could be modern or marshally with a change in eq/boost. Vh4 is the only one that gets remotely Marshall like I think..channel 3?
Wizard MC is probably my dream amp though

 

[Deleted member 21375]

It's pretty obvious that the troll is at it again.

 

[Deleted member 21375]

FourT6and2 I still can't respond to pm's but it's not hard to figure out who it is. He jumped right into this thread and gave you crap about your clone in the past.