Herbert with Palmer PDI 03

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Hi Guys,

I've read a few posts on this setup and it seems like most are generally happy with the results. I know the Palmer is rated for up to 200 Watts, so my question is, can anyone give an idea of what kind of wattage I'd be running with the Herbert channel volume at 12:00, gain at 2:00 and master at 9:00 or 12:00. Is the Herbert wattage linear where if the Herbert is at max volume, its burning 180 watts but at if the vol is half way, its running 90 watts? I want to allow the Palmer plenty of headroom, thats why I'm asking.

Thanks!
 
i had that setup a view months ago.

Deal:
I found i had more options and better tone using impulses, going staight from the line out off the herbert. I sold my pdi-03. I also read that you could get problemst with youre output transformers. I did get really nice tones using the palmer, but it just wasn't worth the money.

I never went past 30/35% master volume, i didnt need to. As far as i remember, having the master @ 12 o'clock should be safe theoratical
 
Thank you for the response. Can anyone confirm that the Palmer may ruin the Herberts output transformer? I'd like to check out the unit to hear how it sounds, but I ain't going near it if it's going to kill a $4k head! Thanks!
 
It didnt kill mine. Google it. Better to be safe. It isnt micing, so why not use impulses and safe money. I did get Nice sounds from it but Its never like micing youre amp. But i understand and Its Always best to try it youreself.
 
Shadow 70, thanks for the IR thought, I tried the IRs with the Herbert and feel the results are definitely impressive! I'll work with the IRs, then reamp when it comes time for final tracks. I know I need a dummy load so I wanted to know if anyone has some suggestions? Off the bat, i was thinking THD Hotplate.
 
CorkyTart":2tk7hsfw said:
Shadow 70, thanks for the IR thought, I tried the IRs with the Herbert and feel the results are definitely impressive! I'll work with the IRs, then reamp when it comes time for final tracks. I know I need a dummy load so I wanted to know if anyone has some suggestions? Off the bat, i was thinking THD Hotplate.
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With ir's youll wont use the master section off the amp, so you can put youre master volume on 0.
I monitored the amp with ir's in my DAW, later i would copy paste the recordings and play with various mics etc. Just make shure you know how to solve latency issues when monitoring direct. In logic i would play with the audio options and have 0 latancy.
 
Please don't forget that most amps are not designed to run at full volume for a long time, with a cab or with a loadbox. i don't know for the Herbert. Depending on the volume potentiometer, you can reach max volume, or almost, long before having the potentiometer on the max value.

By the way, the best sound is most of the time not at max volume.
 
I don't know if I'm overlooking something, but the way I'm running it now, I need the master output to get suitable gain into the daw. Here is the chain:

Gtr - Herbert

Herbert compensated out-preamp-daw-IR

Herbert 8ohm speaker out to Bogner OS cab

When i use master volume, im getting great results w IR, however, If I don't use the master volume, even w the preamp cranked, I get insufficient gain which is why I was thinking I'd need to send the speaker out to a Hotplate set to Load.

How is yours setup?

Thanks!

Thanks again!
 
I agree that amps aren't at their best at max vol. With a cab I've only got the Herbert at about 1/3 vol
 
I get insufficient gain
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The FX send of most amps (again, sorry not to know the Herbert) is not at line level/impedance, that's why you don't have enough volume on your DAW input.

Maybe with a DI then a mic preamplifier, but I can't guarantee it will work...

A loadbox may do the trick, with a noticeable advantage to take the sound coming from the speaker out of the Herbert.
 
I experimented going out of the compensated out, into a DI then into the preamp and although it is a bit louder, it is adding noise and hum. For some reason the master output of the Herbert is directly tied to compensated output level with the way I have it setup. That's why I was thinking if I went feom rhe speaker output into the "load" setting of a Hotplate, there would be no speaker level to deal with. Is this correct?

Thanks for the input!
 
CorkyTart":3n7z11qv said:
I experimented going out of the compensated out, into a DI then into the preamp and although it is a bit louder, it is adding noise and hum. For some reason the master output of the Herbert is directly tied to compensated output level with the way I have it setup. That's why I was thinking if I went feom rhe speaker output into the "load" setting of a Hotplate, there would be no speaker level to deal with. Is this correct?

Thanks for the input!
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I have an Hotplate. Used with a few amps, with no cab connected and I've never had a problem.
You basically set it to "Load", and decide the line out level from the back of the unit:

http://www.gilroyguitars.com/thdshop/pr ... _10596.jpg

Guitar ---> Amp ----> Speaker out to Hotplate "Input From Amp" ----> Hotplate line out with a Balanced 1/4" jack cable/XRL male to Apogee Duet Mic input set to "Line Input"

Maybe you have problems because you use the soundcard preamp and add gain from there using unbalanced cables.
With the Hotplate you have plenty of volume, even at half my soundcard start to clip with normal settings on the amp
 
Use THE Herbert serial out for ir's. I still have to test THE torpedo free App ;) but work takes most of my time

Good luck in finding good results. I Also started collecting everything needed for reamping. I can record direct and use amp sims, afterwords i send THE signal mono to my rmppro but still have à low signal, hope to solve This soon. I record in THE Same room When playing so reamping is my best option now.

But to OP: try THE pdi-03, i found à old file today recorded with THE Herbert and THE pdi-03 and to be honest, it sounded really beefy
 
guillaume_pille":1v9cfxk9 said:
Please don't forget that most amps are not designed to run at full volume for a long time, with a cab or with a loadbox. i don't know for the Herbert. Depending on the volume potentiometer, you can reach max volume, or almost, long before having the potentiometer on the max value.

By the way, the best sound is most of the time not at max volume.
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+1 on this.

No attenuators please.
 
shadow070":2zsdmhw4 said:
I Also started collecting everything needed for reamping. I can record direct and use amp sims, afterwords i send THE signal mono to my rmppro but still have à low signal, hope to solve This soon. I record in THE Same room When playing so reamping is my best option now.
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I've been using the Radial X Amp for years with great results. I'm going out of the DAW with a little bit of a limiter on the original mono DI signal, into the Radial then into the amp. The trick that I found is to make sure that the limiter isnt hitting to hard and to make sure the Radial isn't distorting. I've A/B "live" amp tracks vs reamp tracks and I cant tell the difference.

With regard to my OP, I'm going to give the Palmer a shot and see what happens especially since Peter responded to this post and others saying not to use attenuators.

We'll see!
 
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