How good are Engl amps these days?

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My local shop is an ENGL dealer. I've tried a few of their amps and thought they were a little above average, but not worth the prices they charge. The only amp I thought was OK was the Steve Morse. The invader is SO-so and the powerball is kind of weird. The Special editions are ok too but not my cup of tea.
 
Just picked up, actually traded up for a Retro 100 and it is really nice. Love both channels and the gain boost is just enough that I have no need for pedals anymore. I am a little concerned about service since the boards are kinda thin and small but so far so good. With the Z9 controller it is a very versatile amp..
 
braintheory":1lzakirp said:
I have an extreme aggression for sale in the classified section if anyone is interested

Sinc you mentioned it here I have to ask you why your price on that amp is $2100....Brand new the amp sells for $1899 ...There are still a couple dealers that have them in stock. I didn't want to blow up your for sale thread and post the question there.

IMO your used price should be 1600 tops.

I had a ENGL Artist Edition when they first came out... There were none left at the dealers. I sold it for $1400 just to give you an idea
 
the4thlast1":3ic9fxkm said:
braintheory":3ic9fxkm said:
I have an extreme aggression for sale in the classified section if anyone is interested

Sinc you mentioned it here I have to ask you why your price on that amp is $2100....Brand new the amp sells for $1899 ...There are still a couple dealers that have them in stock. I didn't want to blow up your for sale thread and post the question there.

IMO your used price should be 1600 tops.

I had a ENGL Artist Edition when they first came out... There were none left at the dealers. I sold it for $1400 just to give you an idea

I think you're confusing the Artist Edition (which is $1899 new and yes dealers have them in stock) with the Extreme Aggression that I'm trying to sell. There were only two stores in the US that ever had the Extreme Aggression in stock (Axe Palace and Drum City in Colorado), and they were $2400 new and all 10 of them sold a while ago. Considering that the Extreme Aggression is so rare and not made anymore I think my price is perfectly reasonable.
 
braintheory":1jzocoo2 said:
the4thlast1":1jzocoo2 said:
braintheory":1jzocoo2 said:
I have an extreme aggression for sale in the classified section if anyone is interested

Sinc you mentioned it here I have to ask you why your price on that amp is $2100....Brand new the amp sells for $1899 ...There are still a couple dealers that have them in stock. I didn't want to blow up your for sale thread and post the question there.

IMO your used price should be 1600 tops.

I had a ENGL Artist Edition when they first came out... There were none left at the dealers. I sold it for $1400 just to give you an idea

I think you're confusing the Artist Edition (which is $1899 new and yes dealers have them in stock) with the Extreme Aggression that I'm trying to sell. There were only two stores in the US that ever had the Extreme Aggression in stock (Axe Palace and Drum City in Colorado), and they were $2400 new and all 10 of them sold a while ago. Considering that the Extreme Aggression is so rare and not made anymore I think my price is perfectly reasonable.

Maybe this is a special price ? ....I'm going by this :

http://www.drumcityguitarland.com/mobil ... 10031.aspx
 
the4thlast1":2785z7cy said:
braintheory":2785z7cy said:
the4thlast1":2785z7cy said:
braintheory":2785z7cy said:
I have an extreme aggression for sale in the classified section if anyone is interested

Sinc you mentioned it here I have to ask you why your price on that amp is $2100....Brand new the amp sells for $1899 ...There are still a couple dealers that have them in stock. I didn't want to blow up your for sale thread and post the question there.

IMO your used price should be 1600 tops.

I had a ENGL Artist Edition when they first came out... There were none left at the dealers. I sold it for $1400 just to give you an idea

I think you're confusing the Artist Edition (which is $1899 new and yes dealers have them in stock) with the Extreme Aggression that I'm trying to sell. There were only two stores in the US that ever had the Extreme Aggression in stock (Axe Palace and Drum City in Colorado), and they were $2400 new and all 10 of them sold a while ago. Considering that the Extreme Aggression is so rare and not made anymore I think my price is perfectly reasonable.

Maybe this is a special price ? ....I'm going by this :

http://www.drumcityguitarland.com/mobil ... 10031.aspx

I'm pretty sure that one already sold a while ago, but maybe I'm wrong? I searched for extreme aggression's for sale after your comment and got a link to it from the same store and it said out of stock: http://www.drumcityguitarland.com/ENGL- ... 10031.aspx
 
I gotcha, If the new price on these was 2400 than it all makes more sense. The listing on DCGL is misleading.

Sorry to clog up this thread with nonsense.
 
Now let me see if I can add something to the original discussion :)

Ive been lucky enough to own most of the ENGL amps. My personal favorites are :

- Fireball 100
- Savage 120
- SE EL34

I've also owned Invader 1 and 2 , Artist Edition, Powerball, Blackmore, Fireball 60, Thunder. I demo'd the Morse model and found it to be similar to the Invader but more tweakable, if anything going off memory I would say its a lot like the Invader II.

Surprisingly the Fireball 100 is my favorite out of all of them because it has a big thick sound that cuts in a live mix. Its not very versatile , kinda a one trick but the trick is better than the others IMO. Its all out Metal which is what I associate ENGL.

A nice option if you want to try something that is more rock voiced and versatile I would recommend the new Artist Edition. The thing with that amp is IMO it doesn't do modern Metal great because the low end is not your typical ENGL surgically tight and clear. It does other styles very well though, would be good for anything up to 80s Metal.

The Invader and Morse amps are not my cup of tea. I wanted to love the new Invader II because I got a sick deal on it. For a lack of better words to me they have a small and somewhat sterile tone.
 
I have an Invader 2 and feel it's the complete opposite of thin. It sounds very much like the engl demos.Granted I do turn the highs and presence down some but I'm using emg 81's. And if u have the z16, it can get REALLY thick.like any 100 watter, it needs to be cranked a lil too. What cab were you using?
 
i also have had many Engls, Savage, Fireball 60 and 100, Retro and the Artist Edition.......I prefer the Artist Edition, organic, very versatile and good lead amp. Fireball 100 had the meanest voicing to me, pretty dark. Loved the Retro for rhythm but not as much for lead. All were good amps except didn't care for Fireball 60 that much
 
Idk, every ENGL amp I've seen used live gets swallowed up in the mix. I don't like the solid state computerized tone. But that's just me.
 
Man Engl amps are really underrated on discussion boards where expensive boutique amps are touted since they are a major brand, not hand-wired, etc... but Engl amps have incredible tone and are solid performers. I've owned and kept a few Engls for some time, and wish I could get my hands on an Invader 100 (not the newest one but regular model). Their amps always have good cleans and lots of gain options, and they are great about loading their tone with mids.

The Screamer is a relatively affordable amp, but with a lot of really awesome, versatile sounds and real reverb too. The Steve Morse has immaculate clean sounds that are to die for and all kinds of great thick Marshall sounds. The Raider is sold only as a combo, but has amazing tone on all channels. When you're soloing with the Raider, it's so rich in beautiful mids that it's almost like you have a cocked wah on. The Powerball and Fireball make it easy to get great metal tones, but is capable of a variety of other sounds as well. With the available gain ranges, you can get very clean, blues or classic rock sounds, that are fairly useable, but metal is where they shine.

The Blackmore is very versatile, but kind of stripped down. It's more in the Marshall vein, and you can hear it on a couple of Joe Stump albums. Lots of people do all kinds of metal stuff with it, but I'd say it doesn't really share the court with the Powerball & Fireball as much as it lends itself to classic and rock styles. The Ironball and Gigmaster are both amazing amps. For some reason, a lot of people dump the Gigmaster kind of into the Blackstar HT Metal category, but it offers a nice warm tonal variety and that signature Engl midrange. The Ironball to me is like a slightly expanded Gigmaster. Still a warm tone, but more range of cleaner sounds, reverb, and slightly louder.

All Engl amps have warmth, but by that I don't mean dark. In fact, I think they rather have a very, very appealing treble range and of course loads of mids. You will never have to struggle dialing in sounds like you might have with Mesa Boogies or some other amps. Engls eliminate the need for pedals, but lends themselves to various pedals quite well, especially the Engls with the more pristine cleans. Perhaps that might, in one obscure aspect, be a limitation for people who use extensive pedalboards since they are really satisfying to play without any kind of boost. They usually have some kind of boost and mid boost or mid cut feature too.

One of the complaints you hear from the amp snobs are that Engls sound processed and that you can't hear the wood, blah blah blah... Perhaps they aren't the kind of amps that resonate every little nuance of your guitar wood, etc..., but they really don't need to. If you use a single coil to solo in the neck position, for example, you will get a certain amount of woodiness, but there is some color in the tone. I quite like that though because I don't always care for a transparent underlying tone that still maintains some amount of transparency when you click on a distortion. To me that is useless at that point, but if you can click on a pedal and nice a nice colored sound, then you can get more flavors out of your pedals. I think the balance they have between transparency and color is ideal.

As far as the touch-sensitivity and dynamic response that a lot of boutique snobs rave about, well I guarantee you that with the exception of amps like the Powerball, Engls have a wide dynamic range. Even the Powerball has a certain level of dynamics, but when you go that high gain and compression, no amp is going to be a finger-picker's delight. I think people that don't make assumptions about Engl amps and are open-minded to exploring the sounds Engl amps offer, will be extremely pleased with what they find.

Now, the Invader is my favorite Engl of all, but the SE is probably just a slight cut above and also like $1000 more too. The Invader is not a dark amp, and while some people even complain that it's too bright, it's not either unless you want it to be. It doesn't get put into the modded-Marshall category, but to me kind of fits into that type. It's overall tone is kind of a British flavor. It's much more than a high gain amp with a clean channel and a blues channel. The clean channel is an amazing world onto itself as is the crunch channel. The other two channels get most of the hype, and they certainly deserve it, but the Invader is what I consider to be one of the only amps that truly does everything extremely well.

I should also mention that Engl amps are very reliable. I know a dozen people who kick the shit out of their Engl every day, gigging in bars and playing stadiums. The Screamer and Raider I had were with me for a couple of years each and never had so much as a single microphonic chirp. They performed flawlessly. I had a friend who gigged with a Thunder combo for 10 years and it go so beat up that I could hardly recognize it as an Engl, but every feature on that amp still worked flawlessly. Therefore, whatever negative rumors of Engl reliability you can probably reduce by 90%. I always run into guys who are happy with their Engls until someone convinces them to go out and buy a Friedman BE100 or something, and then they suddenly start dumping on Engl amps. I suppose there is a certain satisfaction to owning very expensive amps, but some of the brand-loyalty and ass-kissing is ridiculous.

zewango":29ud2uav said:
Never got tp try the Invader II price kept me away. If I could find Invader 100 cheap I'd pick one up. I had the 150.
I also had the Ironball (it can keep up with a band no problem) Powerball II and Artist Edition. Jesus I guess I like Engl's
Right now the Friedman Small Box is the coolest amp on the planet for me.

yngzaklynch":29ud2uav said:
zewango":29ud2uav said:
Never got tp try the Invader II price kept me away. If I could find Invader 100 cheap I'd pick one up. I had the 150.
I also had the Ironball (it can keep up with a band no problem) Powerball II and Artist Edition. Jesus I guess I like Engl's
Right now the Friedman Small Box is the coolest amp on the planet for me.
Gain wise how is the Smallbox
 
I've had a Fireball 100 for a couple of years, totally love that amp, has nothing to do with the brootz (I'm mostly an 80's rocker), the voicing just really works for me. I picked up an SE after that, but quickly realized I didn't need any of that versatility and couldn't get that one heavy tone the Fireball 100 does so well so I sold it. Really good tone at bedroom volumes is a bonus too.
 
Thor1777":1dnb3bt8 said:
i also have had many Engls, Savage, Fireball 60 and 100, Retro and the Artist Edition.......I prefer the Artist Edition, organic, very versatile and good lead amp. Fireball 100 had the meanest voicing to me, pretty dark. Loved the Retro for rhythm but not as much for lead. All were good amps except didn't care for Fireball 60 that much


Was it the Savage 120 that you owned or a Savage 60?
 
the rossness":18sql1ot said:
My local shop is an ENGL dealer. I've tried a few of their amps and thought they were a little above average, but not worth the prices they charge. The only amp I thought was OK was the Steve Morse. The invader is SO-so and the powerball is kind of weird. The Special editions are ok too but not my cup of tea.

Come on man. I'm sorry but these kinds of comments are a real turn off. Engls obviously sound awesome, they're built like tanks, and have earned their standing. You sound like one of those guys still raving about how great the Fender Prosonic was or something. What exactly is your cup of tea? The Morse has some of the best clean tones there are in any EL34 amp. The Invader also has fantastic cleans and incredible overdrive sounds. The special editions are incapable of sounding less than stellar. Vinnie Moore has been using an SE for years. I don't know what's so weird about the Powerball except that it does exactly what you expect of it and then some. It doesn't sound vintage, but it even has great clean and crunch tones for what it does. Comments like that benefit nobody. At least provide some reasonable explanation because I'm going to be very honest with you and say that you don't sound like you ever really used one before. I'll take a stab and say you probably passed by some meathead chugging out DJENT and walked away thinking "meh."
 
That there is some angry Engl love
Engry

I never tried one, but I'm sure I'd love the hi fi brutality
I do hear they get lost in the mix with Marshall types.
 
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