How Woke People Evolved To Be Superior
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100% serious question.
How would you personally define someone who is woke?
I've read so many varying opinions/definitions on this so
I think it'd be good to start with at least a baseline.
100% serious question.
How would you personally define someone who is woke?
I've read so many varying opinions/definitions on this so
I think it'd be good to start with at least a baseline.
Mark Skid
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Anyone one who subscribes to the tenets of Critical Race Theory. i.e. Neo-Marxism. The epicenter for such studies was the Frankfurt School. They were exiled from Germany by the National Socialist German Workers' Party. Two leftist parties is too much for any nation, I suppose. They ended-up settling at Columbia University in New York City.
Personally, I enjoy the mixture of atheism and religious observation. To each his own, as long as one ideological perspective does not dominate the other. Left and Right "puritanism" are equally abhorrent. Freedom of choice and equality is what this nation was built upon. Authoritarianism is waging a war against freedom and liberty in every free nation on the planet. Once liberty dies, both "sides" will share equally in misery.
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Monkey Man
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Speeddemon
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I have found that many self-proclaimed 'woke' people seem to miss the difference between 'social justice' and 'social vengeance'.
FWIW. YMMV.
oh, and I've stopped watching the long hair-redhead guy's videos. Sure, he makes some funny content mocking certain groups, but at the same time he's an actual life-coach, that tries to help folks with pseudo-science sometimes.
It's like Philip Morris -the tobacco company- that recently also acquired a oxygen-respitory manufacturer. "First we give them the coughies, then the means to get some air. Double win! $$"
FWIW. YMMV.
oh, and I've stopped watching the long hair-redhead guy's videos. Sure, he makes some funny content mocking certain groups, but at the same time he's an actual life-coach, that tries to help folks with pseudo-science sometimes.
It's like Philip Morris -the tobacco company- that recently also acquired a oxygen-respitory manufacturer. "First we give them the coughies, then the means to get some air. Double win! $$"
Not sure where you got all that.
Critical Race Theory in the United States is an academic movement that began with a number of civil rights and legal scholars in the 70s and started becoming more mainstream in the 80s. The idea is to stop ignoring, or whitewashing, the uncomfortable episodes of our past and teach factual accounts of the country's birth and growth in hopes of furthering the advancement of our social and legal constructs as they relate to 'All Men Created Equal'.
It's been taught at Universities for decades and the push now is to start it with students at younger ages.
Teach the kids about slavery and also about all of the white people who fought to abolish it.
Teach the kids that Robert E. Lee was a traitor against the United States.
Teach the kids that the Civil War was almost entirely about the southern rich not wanting to pay for labor.
You know, REALITY instead of the Walt Disney fairy tail that we were all taught.
Can we get back to Woke cause I can't imagine that that was your entire definition.
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Robert E. Lee commanded troupes that killed 100,000 United States soldiers,
and another 50,000 United States citizens.
All of them on US soil.
Some on their own property.
Why were so many modern day folks upset when the statue honoring the guy finally got taken down?
Many of them actually voted to keep it up.
If you don't find that entirely messed up you need to read more history books.
and another 50,000 United States citizens.
All of them on US soil.
Some on their own property.
Why were so many modern day folks upset when the statue honoring the guy finally got taken down?
Many of them actually voted to keep it up.
If you don't find that entirely messed up you need to read more history books.
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Speeddemon
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While that may be worthy of praise, you do realise that many folks out there are way more extreme in their 'woke' beliefs, and coming up with the most outrageous ideas of what "the white man has done to oppress them."
If you're in a hoody and baggy clothing, acting shifty and shady, spending your day, just loitering at a train station, I don't care what the color of your skin is, you're to be avoided in my book. But some folks would flag the 'avoidance' of such folks immediately as racism, instead of judging it at face value.
And I'm tired of everything being made racist/offensive, etc. Are there racial issues and inequalities in the world? For sure. Do we need to fix those? You bet.
But is blaming ALL your struggles on white privilege, especially if you actually *have* the opportunity to 'rise up' through whatever socio-economic ranks exist a bunch of lazy-ass bullshit? Also true.
And that's why I have a problem with a certain, more fundamentalistic, activist faction of 'wokeness', when they start lumping avoidable stuff in with actual issues.
squank
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Wow. Every claim you made is incorrect. You stopped just sort of blaming the Jews for all of America's ills.
Woke, as the term is used today, is so vague as to be meaningless. It's like "liberal" or "conservative". Those terms used to be well defined, but now their meanings shift rather quickly, and they are practically useless anymore. For example, before 2001, conservatives avoided deficit spending. After 2001, they largely didn't care about national budget deficits (unless a Dem was in the White House). Before 1996, liberals believed in supporting working people. They abandoned that and rural America rightfully abandoned them. Unfortunately, they embraced another party who didn't give a crap about them, either.
CRT is not Neo-Marxism or any other kind of Marxism. CRT developed in the 80s as an offshoot of Critical Legal Theory. It has a very large range of thought, and much of it is good (as a remedy for many past inequities). However, some of CRT is terrible and destructive. Knowing the difference is important.
Using "Marxist" as a bogeyman to scare people is intellectually lazy. It gets used as a trigger word to poison any discussion. Marxism is a terrible economic and political philosophy, but you can't credibly label everything that isn't free market capitalism as Marxism.
The idea that the US was built on equality is laughable. Sure, the Declaration of Independence paid lip service to it, but just ask any Black or Asian person in the US for the first 150 years of our history if they felt anywhere equal to white people. The US was built on freedom for the halves and property rights for the haves. Slavery was codified in our nation's founding document. Its tentacles reached far past the Civil War.
I spent 30 years serving this country. I believed the myth of America when I swore an oath to protect and defend it starting in the 80s. Over many years, the illusion of America in my mind has slowly given way to the reality of our history and the way things really are. This kind of knowledge forced me to reject both the Dems and the GOP, once parties that stood for clear debatable ideologies, now little more than corrupt whores who care little for this country.
CrazyNutz
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Speaking of people "that are way more extreme in 'woke' beliefs"
This is my observation, yes there are extreme people but they account for a small percentage of the population, or particular group. However the news, or other sources of propaganda will make it appear as said extremism dominates a group.
Examples:
All Muslims, and Mexicans want to murder you. All repubs are racists nazi's. All Dems are liberal marxist socialists.
squank
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You make some great points.
Jim Crow laws extended the suffering of Black people in the US for another 100 years. But its silly not to recognize the progress that has been made, especially in the past 50 years. One of the biggest mistakes the far left makes is pretending nothing is getting better via race. It is demonstrably better. That doesn't mean we don't have further to go toward equality. But the far left loses the Center (which is most people) when they blame white people for having it better than anyone else.
White privilege (or advantage, if the word privilege bothers you) exists. Of course it does. But that's not any white person's fault. It's an advantage white people have in America just by being born white. They did not oppress anyone to get it. The far left alienates a lot of people by not explaining this better.
Also, WP doesn't mean that white people don't have to work to get what they have. Of course they work for it. The far left should do a better job saying this, too. WP means that other people (of color) are often (but not always) working with a few more disadvantages than white people. But this is a generalization. It's not always the case.
I'm 6'2". My 6'5" son has an advantage over me when we play basketball. It's not his fault, but for him to pretend he doesn't have a pretty big advantage over me (he's also 30 years younger!) would be kinda jerkish behavior. That's privilege. Nothing more. It's terrible how some far leftists try to make white people feel guilty about having the privilege. It's counterproductive, because it makes many of them defensive instead helping them understand WP and how it has been institutionalized.
Well, let's be honest there has been lot's of oppression.
But I get the point that every stinking loser piece of shit is going to want to jump up and down and blame whitey.
Those are a small percentage of the majority. Can't give them too much focus or attention.
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Speeddemon
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Oh fo' sho!
The world would be a significantly better place in terms of identity politics, if all social media would go blank for a year or two.
@squank good points too.
One that somewhat ties in with a great book that was recently released; 'The Tyranny of Merit" by Michael J. Sandel.
He discusses that sometimes the 'elite' believes they are in their privileged position, because they worked for it, when in fact, factors like luck, family/heritage, etc. definitely play a part. And because the elite believe they went the extra mile (the proverbial bootstraps e.a.), some of them think it gives them the right to look down on the less fortunate.
How often haven't you heard "Well you should've worked harder for it".
And this to me also applies to what people tend to see as 'White privilege'.
Just because someone's white, doesn't mean -by default- they have all the opportunity in the world. You could be a grade A student, that could excel at an Ivy League college, but if you're born in a trailer park, from Marybeth-Lynn and Bubba, amidst 6 or 7 siblings, chances are you'll never make it to that point. Do you still have 'privilege' then?
And in the book Sandel basically argues towards the 'elite': "you may wanna be a bit more humble. Not everything that happened to you that brought you ahead in life, is by your doing. So don't take claim for it."
Sure, some folks are deadbeats, lazy slackers, or cheating/hustling their way through life. That all falls under behavior and actions, not heritage. And I believe you're entitled to view this behavior and actions as questionable, despicable even, since these are typically taught and learnt, not someone's 'default mode' where they can't do nothing about it.
Make no mistake by the way, white collar crooks are just as bad as some street thug in this regard.
This just goes beyond the color of one's skin, or gender.
Mark Skid
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Idiot! I'm Jewish.
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Purpleibby
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BS...it's racist fucking drivel.