I don't understand the high end Pickup Market

WHERES THE NUMBERS MAN THATS 56¢ IN PARTS WHAT KIND OF RUBE SPENDS MONEY ON THINGS THAT INSPIRE THEM TO CREATE ART I AM VERY SMART BECAUSE I PARROT THINGS I THINK SMART PEOPLE SAY
I love that pickup. A local guy let me plug that Viper into his handwired 57 tweed twin last sunday at the jam and now I'm thinking that amp will be my next cause it sounded so damn good with that guitar. Lollar really does some nice work. A little expensive but considering it's basically a lifetime purchase the price is acceptable to me.
 
I love that pickup. A local guy let me plug that Viper into his handwired 57 tweed twin last sunday at the jam and now I'm thinking that amp will be my next cause it sounded so damn good with that guitar. Lollar really does some nice work. A little expensive but considering it's basically a lifetime purchase the price is acceptable to me.

That's just plastic, wire, and magnets bro, what a rip off

Who cares that the winder spent sleepless nights, decades refining his formula, or his cost to buy a winder, or all the waste for his prototypes or whatever

I am only capable of thinking of value as quantifiable physical things and dollar bills instead of abstract concepts like "time investment" and "expertise" because I'm a four year old and somehow made it to adulthood

There's also no difference between a lollar that you buy once and a chinesium off of eBay that costs 12 dollars because it's just materials

No I will not show you recordings demonstrating this because that's not MATH bro
 
There's also no difference between a lollar that you buy once and a chinesium off of eBay that costs 12 dollars because it's just materials
I think it boils down to personal skill and expectations from your gear. When I first touched a guitar my instructor made a Fender 85 sound absolutely amazing! It never actually sounded amazing, it was a POS it was just that he was good enough to make it SEEM amazing to someone who didn't know any better. Once I knew how to play a little bit of guitar I was no longer very impressed by a student model SS amp, lol.
 
I think it boils down to personal skill and expectations from your gear. When I first touched a guitar my instructor made a Fender 85 sound absolutely amazing! It never actually sounded amazing, it was a POS it was just that he was good enough to make it SEEM amazing to someone who didn't know any better. Once I knew how to play a little bit of guitar I was no longer very impressed by a student model SS amp, lol.

Tone seems like it's all in the hands when you're a beginner/boomer

Then you get good and realize that when people are talking about tone, they are, by definition, literally talking about everything that ISNT the hands 😂

SS amps get a bad rap, but some of them kill for metal. Randall, VH140c, music man boat anchors, etc

I can't stomach it for blues or edge of breakup though, no matter who's "magic toan hands" are playing. Literally anytime someone sounds amazing doing that shit with an inexpensive SS amp, they would sound 10 times better doing it with the right tube amp.

Part of that is people just don't make higher quality SS stuff anymore really.
 
Seymour Duncan. Original winders, original wire. Good enough for (put name here such as EVH) good enough for me.
 
Seymour Duncan. Original winders, original wire. Good enough for (put name here such as EVH) good enough for me.
Yup..... I mean...... Don't really need magic fairy dust 1000$ dollar pickups..... YMMV but regular old Seymour Duncans seem to do it for me and aside from a solid amp and guitar the pickups really are just as important ImE and Imo......


They don't cost a whole lot either :dunno:


And good enough for these dudes...... more than good enough for me ^_^










 
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That's just plastic, wire, and magnets bro, what a rip off

Who cares that the winder spent sleepless nights, decades refining his formula, or his cost to buy a winder, or all the waste for his prototypes or whatever

I am only capable of thinking of value as quantifiable physical things and dollar bills instead of abstract concepts like "time investment" and "expertise" because I'm a four year old and somehow made it to adulthood

There's also no difference between a lollar that you buy once and a chinesium off of eBay that costs 12 dollars because it's just materials

No I will not show you recordings demonstrating this because that's not MATH bro
Formula? There are only like 3 components. There is no secret sauce. Everyone uses the same 3-4 different magnets and the same 2-3 different wires.
I've got a pretty good idea what it takes to make a pickup. What I know for sure, its it doesn't take any longer to make a $1000 pickups vs Dimarzio or a Bootstrap. One manufacture like to brag about how he has the original winding machines from Gibson. Ok, cool. Does it do counter clockwise and clockwise? Amazing. lol. All bullshit.
 
Formula? There are only like 3 components. There is no secret sauce. Everyone uses the same 3-4 different magnets and the same 2-3 different wires.
I've got a pretty good idea what it takes to make a pickup. What I know for sure, its it doesn't take any longer to make a $1000 pickups vs Dimarzio or a Bootstrap. One manufacture like to brag about how he has the original winding machines from Gibson. Ok, cool. Does it do counter clockwise and clockwise? Amazing. lol. All bullshit.

Yeah you really don't know anything you're talking about - but I am jealous of being as naive as you are about it

You seriously don't know ANYTHING about how pickups are made, or why they sound different, do you?
 
Yeah you really don't know anything you're talking about - but I am jealous of being as naive as you are about it

You seriously don't know ANYTHING about how pickups are made, or why they sound different, do you?
Why is Bullcrap panhandling in his avatar pic? No, I can't spare a fucking quarter! Besides, that won't be enough to buy a fucking clue
 
Why is Bullcrap panhandling in his avatar pic? No, I can't spare a fucking quarter! Besides, that won't be enough to buy a fucking clue

All guitars are just pieces of wood maaaaan

All cars are just scrap metal maaaaan

Imagine being that naive, like you would you have any idea how things are made
 
Probably thinks the stork delivers babies too.

There's no difference between a Firefly and a Gibson dude

it's all mahogany, humbuckers, glue, and a tune o matic

same 60$ in parts, nevermind the slave labor vs master craftsmen, or the care put into assembling it

The last 35 years of NAFTA have completely poisoned the American consumer, it's actually insane

50 years ago, no one as naive as killcrop or the biggest cuck could even exist, because everyone had to be a basic amount of economically literate to get by IN the economy
 
His website is still up, I emailed him but have not heard anything back... He made some nice stuff.. Loved his amps and pickups..
Steve, not at the moment. I’ve struggle with finding good wire Lin country and not happy with it. At the same time, ive taken kn an Executive position for a company supporting the the military here in Japan. I haven’t given up yet, but not taking order either. I’m hoping for things to settle down.
 
Some of these boutique pickup makers are charging $850 or higher for a pair of humbuckers. $375 for s single coil pickup. Just one.

Pickups are maybe the most simple technology in guitars. It's just wire wrapped around some magnets. There is no magic.

Who is buying this stuff?
While those prices are insane, it’s. It just wire around a magnet. It’s like saying Dennys stake is the same as a Michelin star restaurant because it’s just beef
 
Steve, not at the moment. I’ve struggle with finding good wire Lin country and not happy with it. At the same time, ive taken kn an Executive position for a company supporting the the military here in Japan. I haven’t given up yet, but not taking order either. I’m hoping for things to settle down.

You'll be happy to find out that pickups are just wires, magnets, and plastic, and therefore only worth the 8$ of parts (apparently)

(also apparently) everyone should buy cheap chinesium pickups because anything else is marketing bullshit

So say the electromagnetist physics and economics experts killcrop and the biggest cuck - who have jumped on the glenn fricker train of "everything is overpriced marketing bullshit unless I'm selling it"
 
Transparency here, for the boutique builder not mass producing, you’re looking at a minimum of $25-30 just for quality parts, not counting covers, packaging, waste, shop materials, or equipment. This also does not include time spent ordering, packaging, mailing, emails, or prototyping. This also doesn’t take into consideration that it’s impossible to get all of your parts from a single vendor. 4-5 at a minimum, so add the shipping from 4-5 vendors to the price of the parts. I think your looking at almost $40 before counting time and labor.

Now, when you make the pickup, I’d say the average time to wind, assemble, and pot is about 2 hours per pickup unless your mass producing and don’t have to change your setup between different models/orders. Again, add the communications on the front end the communication on the back end, and the mailing, packing and mailing. I was actually covering the shipping costs. I promise you that I couldn’t feed my family is my only job was pickups. I would say that a boutique builder would even struggle @$120 per pickup is that’s their only source of income. I see no o problem with some winders charging $200 per pickup of it’s not CNC wound.
 
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