I had an epiphany about AI and musicians who use it extensively.

DanTravis62 said:
WARNING: THIS POST WILL RUSTLE JIMMIES




So I had an epiphany while listening to the 14th version of AI slop that a "music fan" friend sent to me today on facebook messenger. "hey man, check out my version of SRV playing Cocksparrer's "Runnin Riot" - aren't I clever hyuk hyuk"

"Hey check it out, I made an irish punk song with massive production and traditional instruments about the local venue"

"Hey Dan check it out, a lounge version of "Mommy.....Can I go out and kill tonight?"


Even though all the advertisements for Suno and whatever else sell AI as a "songwriting tool", neither I, nor any other songwriters I know (and I know a shit load of them) have used AI in that way.

It's literally just a way for everyone too lazy to learn or put in the work to play, record, and write to be like "ha ha hey i'm basically on your level now thanks to technology!"

This is it boys, basically everything we've spent our lives striving for is meaningless because people want slop and they don't care that it's slop :dunno:

In a way, this was already happening with the modernization of metal and rock (it all sounds like basically AI anyways, including all the youtuber guys you guys post)

And this just makes sense for why everyone is accepting of the bland, uncanny valley AI garbage

Every person who is super into music thinks their taste is supreme, so why WOULDN'T their magical taste provide the AI with the BEST prompts to make the BEST music?
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Even using AI I’ll manage to never finish writing the song.
 
riffsfordaze said:
Let's let AI take over our jobs, art, music, humanity & souls.
WTF over?!
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It's already started in many areas of our existence and I for one am very troubled by it all. I wont lose sleep over it, but the genie has been let out of the bottle and it's only going to expand into many more areas of our lives and not always in a positive way as we are already starting to see...
 
I really don’t even encounter anything to do with AI music interests the avenues of music I’m into. It would be quickly pushed out if it did show its head. I’ve heard some electronic shit in passing but I haven’t gone out of my way to listen to anything AI created, nor do I know anyone sending anything around to other people. I use AI daily in job/tech world, but music has had absolutely no impact on me yet, and I’ve very limited exposure thankfully
 
AI is bad. I've seen enough science fiction movies to know the likely outcome.

I'm also not happy about my ever rising electricity and water bills and I think a lot of that correlates to the increased use of AI. If you spend a few minutes researching AI data centers and read about the electricity and water consumption required for them then I think it's very hard to support the use of AI.
 
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Man, people who just skip the whole "learning to make music" thing and go straight to the AI prompts are missing out. The process of setting out to do something with your hands and seeing yourself improve over time is, for the vast majority of people who ever become interested in making art, is easily the more rewarding part of it. Also, people who skip the whole musician thing and move straight to AI miss out on the gear! Sad.


Sick Michael said:
Live performances....thats where its all going, localised nostaligia gigs.

(which is in essence what a night out at the orchestra is...)
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Oh cool, can't wait for the local bar to install a projector that plays AI recreations of artists playing live to whatever comes on the radio. Isn't "live" music great!
 
TheGreatGreen said:
Man, people who just skip the whole "learning to make music" thing and go straight to the AI prompts are missing out. The process of setting out to do something with your hands and seeing yourself improve over time is, for the vast majority of people who ever become interested in making art, is easily the more rewarding part of it. Also, people who skip the whole musician thing and move straight to AI miss out on the gear! Sad
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It's way bigger than than unfortunately

They aren't just skipping the "learning to make music " part - it's that MUSICIANS (period) are unnecessary in this paradigm. You don't need anyone to write, play, record, produce to just LISTEN to music. Let alone make it.
 
DanTravis62 said:
It's way bigger than than unfortunately

They aren't just skipping the "learning to make music " part - it's that MUSICIANS (period) are unnecessary in this paradigm. You don't need anyone to write, play, record, produce to just LISTEN to music. Let alone make it.
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Ah yeah I guess what I meant is that I'm sorry for would-have-been musicians who will never pick up an instrument or mic because they think they'll be able to get what they want out of the creative process from just typing in some AI prompt. Getting involved with the creation of music at the atomic / tactile level in the first place is one of the best parts of the whole process. But it takes the step of trying to make music yourself to figure that out. I'm sad this might mean fewer people will bother.
 
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Autotune started in or around 97 or so right ? to me that's around when music in general started falling off, although it happened quicker in other genres than rock/metal, but then (IMO ONLY) the added click track and recording on a grid created sterilization. Music has progressively lost life since 97 and on with addition of tools to make things easier and cut costs, and while they are understandable reasons, music isn't meant to be perfect, its meant as an expressive form of art. The best music always feels like it is alive and breathing, and life isn't perfect so why should Music be ?

Long story short, I myself am not a fan of AI in anything art or expression related. It removes the human element
 
TheGreatGreen said:
people who skip the whole musician thing and move straight to AI miss out on the gear! Sad.
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People probably went to Google or chatgtp and typed in "do I need gear to create music"? It probably replied, "no, you don't need gear to create music. All you need is AI and chat gtp".

Sad indeed
 
TheGreatGreen said:
Ah yeah I guess what I meant is that I'm sorry for would-have-been musicians who will never pick up an instrument or mic because they think they'll be able to get what they want out of the creative process from just typing in some AI prompt. Getting involved with the creation of music at the atomic / tactile level in the first place is one of the best parts of the whole process. But it takes the step of trying to make music yourself to figure that out. I'm worried fewer people will bother.
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They’ll do it for a short while and then move on to something else that tech does for them, where they don’t need to work at it. No longer a “musician” and now a “filmmaker”. Anyone with an ounce of passion would want to creat their own from their own hands/voice.
 
skoora said:
They’ll do it for a short while and then move on to something else that tech does for them, where they don’t need to work at it. No longer a “musician” and now a “filmmaker”. Anyone with an ounce of passion would want to creat their own from their own hands/voice.
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Need a "Certified Organic: By Humans, for Humans" label on albums.
 
Simon Dorn said:
That's strange.
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It's not an isolated incident, and it's almost entirely the sort of people who fancy themselves "into music" but have never taken the time to actually learn how to play, write, or record anything.
 
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