I had an epiphany about AI and musicians who use it extensively.

[ners]

Blasted this in my car for like a month before I found out it was AI...super bummed there was nothing to go see or learn about.

 

[gibson5413]

AI makes the average person a song writer in the same way that the iPhone made everyone a professional photographer.

Here's my take... the value of music died in the early 2000s. Napster was the opening salvo. These days, music holds no real value to the average listener. Right now, AI is a novel thing. A record company can pay one dud to sit in the basement and generate entire albums without the risks associated in signing a band. These days, all you need to have a hit song is a laptop and a pretty face to dance to whatever "music" you generated on said laptop.

Agreed. Plus, the record companies are shrinking in revenues, so AI helps as they don't have to invest heavily in up and coming artists. No more expensive studio times and rushing the bands to hurry and record. I am far from a Boomer and I know the old model had its huge issues but I miss the creative process of bands hunkering down and writing, rehearsing and recording. Yeah, there was a lot of junk that came from it but it felt honest.

 

[gibson5413]

My real fear in releasing my music online is that in the near future when inevitably, my social credit score dips below the threshold, and the Tesla T100 killbots come to eliminate me, they’ll be playing an A.I. mashup of one of my own songs combined with some artist I really hate. My last few moments on earth will be hell.

I have been seeing examples of musicians having their music and ideas stolen, and there is almost nothing the individual can do about it. Again, the old model, where the studios owned about everything, had its issues, but at least those companies could use lawyers to go after the copyright issues. They could, at the very least, protect the intellectual property. The problem is they did it for themselves and profits as opposed to the actual musicians. It is all so messed up.

 

[SaberRed]

Anecdotally, I have been talking with some pro songwriters in the UK about their attitudes towards generative AI and songwriting, and apparently some songwriters are using it.

 

[rsm]

AI tools are available, people will use them.

At this point, there are AI tools to compose and arrange music; create lyrics; sing; play instruments; mix and master the results.

IDK if anyone remembers Hatsune Miku ( I had the Korg Miku pedal).? "she" is a 3D holographic anime teen girl, whose voice was generated by Yamaha's vocaloid technology. Miku first hit the market in 2007, and toured with a live band, the size of a small orchestra while being projected and animated on the stage, and it filled venues.


In the future, I can see 3D holographic anime avatar stars being manufactured the way pop bands (boy bands, girl bands, idols) were/are, with AI manufactured music; packaged up for videos, streaming sales, and to go on tour with a 3D holographic projector system, a live sound system, and a bank of computer servers running all the software. The company owns all the rights to everything, doesn't have to pay artists, writers, etc., with high profit margins.

There are people now with AI avatar girlfriends / boyfriends / relationships, and companies making AI sex-bots/dolls,...so this isn't far-fetched that many people will accept computer generated stars and music in the not too distant future.

I think human musicians / writers will continue in some genres that have complex music outside of mainstream music because the market isn't big enough for AI investment now, but that model may change where it is cost-effective for AI and audience acceptance grows.

 

[rsm]

Hatsune Miku is still going strong in 2025; introduced in 2007, that's a career longer than many bands / singers (18 years), and "she" never ages / gets old.

Notice the size of the crowd; likely appeals to tweens and younger, so a new audience is added every year as the older fans move on.

From March, 2025; still using live band/musicians.




edit: the audience looks to be mostly young men, teens and twenties.

 

[thegame]

and the second I heard the synth-like guitar leads with zero pick attack and zero human element in the whole clip,

And that’s usually the dead giveaway with recordings on digital modelers and quite often, even digitally assisted analog tube amp recording (IRs, etc). That soft pillowy attack, and complete lack thereof of the guitar cabinet chunk factor. Not to be confused with merely the tightness aspect. I’ve yet to hear the real type of glassy, pick transient portion of the attack envelope replicated to any degree at all with digital.

 

[skoora]

And that’s usually the dead giveaway with recordings on digital modelers and quite often, even digitally assisted analog tube amp recording (IRs, etc). That soft pillowy attack, and complete lack thereof of the guitar cabinet chunk factor. Not to be confused with merely the tightness aspect. I’ve yet to hear the real type of glassy, pick transient portion of the attack envelope replicated to any degree at all with digital.

Awww, you and your soft pillow talk.

 

[rsm]

Awww, you and your soft pillow talk.

 

[Faded Abyss]

Soon the music you hear at a grocery store or restaurant will have subliminal advertising baked into the lyrics of what ever AI slop is playing. Target will have their own “music” in between the traditional advertising

 

[Uzi Nein Millimetah]

My real fear in releasing my music online is that in the near future when inevitably, my social credit score dips below the threshold, and the Tesla T100 killbots come to eliminate me, they’ll be playing an A.I. mashup of one of my own songs combined with some artist I really hate. My last few moments on earth will be hell.

That's why we must find and DESTROY the designers of Skynet NOW!!!

Oops......I think we know some of their names at this point, and they are already watching. What's up guys. Just kidding!

 

[YachtRocker]

I don't think people heavily into musician-music have anything to worry about. We kind of seek out difficulty for its own sake, everything from the techniques to the pieces of gear to the sub-sub-sub-genres. It either has to be old, obscure, difficult, or just really really good. It's a pursuit of scarcity, and AI music won't be scarce.

But the average non-musician who just listens to whatever garbo is on the radio, "beyonce" or some hipster summer camp snap/clap anthem?

Yeah, they're gonna just listen to auto generated AI pop instead. It will be better music than what they listen to now, and less money will go to con artists.

Maybe I'm just seeing the glass half full, but if the only longterm losers are beyonce and imagine dragons, I'm fine with that.

 

[DanTravis62]

I don't think people heavily into musician-music have anything to worry about. We kind of seek out difficulty for its own sake, everything from the techniques to the pieces of gear to the sub-sub-sub-genres. It either has to be old, obscure, difficult, or just really really good. It's a pursuit of scarcity, and AI music won't be scarce.

But the average non-musician who just listens to whatever garbo is on the radio, "beyonce" or some hipster summer camp snap/clap anthem?

Yeah, they're gonna just listen to auto generated AI pop instead. It will be better music than what they listen to now, and less money will go to con artists.

Maybe I'm just seeing the glass half full, but if the only longterm losers are beyonce and imagine dragons, I'm fine with that.

Yeah I don't think you're correct on this.

All of the people who I know have been using AI are not radio garbage listeners - they are "music scene" people who go to local punk and metal shows.

 

[YachtRocker]

Yeah I don't think you're correct on this.

All of the people who I know have been using AI are not radio garbage listeners - they are "music scene" people who go to local punk and metal shows.

Using it and replacing music are two diff things

I mess around with it but it's not replacing real music for me ever

The only people I could see completely replacing their musical life with AI are the beyonce/whatevers on the overhead at walmart crowd