I need advice regarding a band situation

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I’m curious if anybody has experience with this in a recording studio space. If you rock up with a beat up instrument in that condition do they call you a donut and send you back out the door or will they actually record?

If someone did this at a studio i worked at, I would confront them about it, and if everyone insisted on recording the fucked up bass, I would pretend to record it and then replace it later. Producers and engineers are hardcore about this shit, especially if their name is going to be on it.

If the "Recording studio" is some friend of yours basement, then yeah this might fly if the engineer is retarded/new.

No one in a legit studio would ever put up with this, though
 
sounds like typical band stuff unfortunately... I would recommend you all get the same brand of tuner or use the same one. We had a similar issue and through some testing found the tuners didn't line up.
 
This isn’t anything that hasn’t been covered, but if this person is going to get that upset over something so trivial, I wouldn’t have high hopes of things going well in the long term when it comes to touring commitments or the creative process etc….
 
I have a glaring question...

If you've been playing with this guy in a band for about a year and his bass was off the whole time, How did no one not notice or say anything before this point? I would think something that off sounding as you described it would have stuck out like a sore thumb during practices.
 
I have a glaring question...

If you've been playing with this guy in a band for about a year and his bass was off the whole time, How did no one not notice or say anything before this point? I would think something that off sounding as you described it would have stuck out like a sore thumb during practices.
cbf going through the examples but it was noticed, not much said because it was a casual thing first 6 months, cover band meeting once a week for fun that didn’t end up gigging. Him and I were together the last 6 months with new goals so things became a bit more serious requiring more attention to detail.
 
Sounds like a good time to cut ties with said bass player and either record on your own or find a new guy, being in a band is like having another family with no blood ties, everyone is moody and egos fly all over the place about stupid shit. If you can't talk to him about basic things like tuning, then it's not worth the frustration cuz imagine how big that snowball will get when it's something else. Move on.
 
cbf going through the examples but it was noticed, not much said because it was a casual thing first 6 months, cover band meeting once a week for fun that didn’t end up gigging. Him and I were together the last 6 months with new goals so things became a bit more serious requiring more attention to detail.
I think the bass player's reaction is out of proportion, but noticing and not saying anything previously does give some justification for him being annoyed. Kind of that it wasn't a problem before or why didn't you say something sooner argument.

I'm just thinking along the lines of when I'm just jamming with a friend; even not in a band situation. If something's off we stop, look at each other, and are like ok which one of us is out of tune. It's even been along the lines of I think the neck moved a little when it got cold, let's go readjust it (I have the tools and ability for that). It's not that big of a deal.

Now, in that same regard it isn't a big deal to make basic adjustments. So your bass player taking it as a personal attack is a big overreaction. A more reasonable response would be something like "I didn't even notice. I'm glad you caught that. I'll work on getting things fixed up." It makes me think he'd get massively butt-hurt if you weren't into one of his basslines or wanted to make a minor change to a song.

I haven't been in a band in decades, and drama like that is why I stopped. Too many fragile musicians who pitch a fit over simple constructive critiques. I don't mind disagreements over riffs & song composition; many times it makes things better or leads to something new, but I don't have the patience anymore for people who take it personally and get offended. I agree with most everyone else. Time to move on. Either find a different bass player or do everything yourself.
 
Long story short - Joined a band a year ago playing covers, the bass player and i wanted to eventually do originals so we peeled off together about 6 months ago. During that time we've come up with a bunch of material which i love with the shared goal of recording an EP.

When we recorded ourselves something was off but i couldn't put my finger on it. About a month ago i played around on his bass and noticed the strings were cooked and the neck was all over the place. Sure enough he hasn't changed strings since he bought it 6 years ago and the intonation by the 12th fret was about half a step out, i had finally found why our recordings sound a bit off. I asked him to change his strings and service his bass before we record, stressing the importance of both instruments being in tune with each other. I even showed him on my tuner how badly intonated his bass was. He's taken this personally and feels as though i'm attacking his playing or musicianship in some way as well as putting pressure on him to spend money, i've stressed this isn't the case. He's now gone cold on the whole EP idea and wants to play casually. Am i being unreasonable here? I'm an amateur so if anybody with a bit more experience can weigh in that would be greatly appreciated.

Other things to note is he's been using his phone to tune this whole time, i've asked if he could buy a proper tuner or at least tune from my tuner and i can tell it doesn't go down well. He also likes to pump his midrange to where i struggle to hear myself in the mix, once again when i ask if he can tweak stuff a bit to try, it doesn't go down well.

Give me some wisdom please, extra brownie points if we can turn this into a political thread.
Point out to him that recordings are unforgiving for that shit.
 
This type of crap NEVER gets better.
This^. The "my feelings are hurt" over a professional level and fair handed criticism cannot be tolerated. I had a guy I was friends with that I found I could not work with on the the long term thanks to his propensity for pouting in the studio when things didn't go his way. You can't have a serious band with people who cannot take honest critiques without being offended.

IME the most difficult part of the whole business is finding good people to work with. It can take years to assemble the right group of guys.
 
This^. The "my feelings are hurt" over a professional level and fair handed criticism cannot be tolerated. I had a guy I was friends with that I found I could not work with on the the long term thanks to his propensity for pouting in the studio when things didn't go his way. You can't have a serious band with people who cannot take honest critiques without being offended.

IME the most difficult part of the whole business is finding good people to work with. It can take years to assemble the right group of guys.

The other side of this is taking criticism yourself too, and not taking it personally

With any band member, I want them to tell me if my fucking guitar is out of tune LOL - why wouldn't you???
 
The other side of this is taking criticism yourself too, and not taking it personally
100 percent. Some people take any critique as a personal assault on them. You can't work with someone like that. A good group has a like mind in terms of making the music as good as possible. Ego has no place in a professional situation.
 
100 percent. Some people take any critique as a personal assault on them. You can't work with someone like that. A good group has a like mind in terms of making the music as good as possible. Ego has no place in a professional situation.

I try to pre-empt that shit in band situations

Like if i'm "the lead guitar player" in a band with a singer, where other people are the main songwriters, when they ask me to come up with a part, I will record like 5-6 different options for parts and be like "what are you looking for? what direction do you want me to go that will help this song?"

instead of being like "this is my part, no discussion"
 
I try to pre-empt that shit in band situations

Like if i'm "the lead guitar player" in a band with a singer, where other people are the main songwriters, when they ask me to come up with a part, I will record like 5-6 different options for parts and be like "what are you looking for? what direction do you want me to go that will help this song?"

instead of being like "this is my part, no discussion"
No doubt. If I accept a support position then I'll do whatever the front person wants. That's my goal, to make them look as good as possible. As for me I don't run a democracy but I also don't work with people I don't respect as humans and as musicians. My drummer has a knack for arranging. The bass player is good at mapping/working other things out. Etc etc. If they don't add to the mix, I cannot afford to have them there.
 
I have a good amount of experience recording and playing live and apparently, I have different opinions than everyone else... Just opinions! Not arguing!

1 - Many bass players don't change their strings often. Many actually prefer the sound of old bass strings. Not unusual.

2 - Many bass players don't play chords or above the 12th fret, so they don't even realize how intonation works. I don't think his intonation being off would be a huge deal unless he's playing chords or lots of lines up high.

3 - His phone tuner should be perfectly acceptable

4 - Trying to change his tone to make your guitar sound better is a little aggressive

5 - Go listen to some isolated bass tracks from professional recordings and you may be surprised. Here's a great example. Both the playing and tons is shit, yet it worked. Intonation is completely off, because it's fretless.



In a nutshell, I think you sucked the fun out of it by taking it entirely too seriously.
 
No doubt. If I accept a support position then I'll do whatever the front person wants. That's my goal, to make them look as good as possible. As for me I don't run a democracy but I also don't work with people I don't respect as humans and as musicians. My drummer has a knack for arranging. The bass player is good at mapping/working other things out. Etc etc. If they don't add to the mix, I cannot afford to have them there.

I think that people who are inexperienced with band situations tend to be like "well it's so hard to find people to play with, I need to put up with some bullshit just to get things going, then i'll worry about that later"

And the reality, in an actual band situation, is that it's the opposite

You don't want to put up with any of that ego bullshit, because otherwise you aren't going to get anything done in the first place

It's actually the most important part, because everyone has to carry their weight just as a bare minimum to get anything done. Sometimes that isn't even the actual instrument they play - look at metallica. Lars kind of sucks as a drummer, but he arranges all the riffs and is the only one in the band with any musical taste. He has the ear for arrangements and aesthetic.

Everyone has to bring something to the table
 
I have a good amount of experience recording and playing live and apparently, I have different opinions than everyone else... Just opinions! Not arguing!

1 - Many bass players don't change their strings often. Many actually prefer the sound of old bass strings. Not unusual.

2 - Many bass players don't play chords or above the 12th fret, so they don't even realize how intonation works. I don't think his intonation being off would be a huge deal unless he's playing chords or lots of lines up high.

3 - His phone tuner should be perfectly acceptable

4 - Trying to change his tone to make your guitar sound better is a little aggressive

5 - Go listen to some isolated bass tracks from professional recordings and you may be surprised. Here's a great example. Both the playing and tons is shit, yet it worked. Intonation is completely off, because it's fretless.



In a nutshell, I think you sucked the fun out of it by taking it entirely too seriously.



If you think that is a shit bass tone, you haven't recorded a bunch of bass tones LOL

I hate pearl jam, but that's a really solid bass sound
 
Just use the dope to play, if you have to, and record the bass lines yourself.
 
If you think that is a shit bass tone, you haven't recorded a bunch of bass tones LOL

I hate pearl jam, but that's a really solid bass sound
A professional made it work well in the mix. That's it.

I've played bass most of my life and recorded tons. If you think that is a good bass tone, I'll just move along now. Nothing else to discuss. LOL
 
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