DanTravis62
Well-known member
That's the entire point of recording a tone. To make it work well in a mix.
That's the entire point of recording a tone. To make it work well in a mix.
thegame
Well-known member
It's not like you didn't try to address the issue and help out. Sometimes you can't make people help themselves, so as a last resort before you dump him I suggest taking him to a music store and getting him to play a reasonably well setup bass there (it might open his eyes) and likewise jam along with a guitar. Maybe he's part of the problem too (fretting too hard, unintentionally bending strings, etc).
SgtThump
Real OG
True. Good point. I didn't mean to say otherwise.
I'm trying to say that even a horrible bass track like that Pearl Jam track worked. It has parts that were out of time, lots of "sour" notes hit on that fretless bass, ridiculously bad tone, etc... Sounds like an amateur to me. I get you love it. I don't understand how, but you do and that's fine.
Given that... I think worrying about things like the guy using a phone to tune, instead of a dedicated tuner is silly. That is picking little things apart and sucking the fun out of it and ultimately doesn't make a difference.
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VonBonfire
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Having more, or better gigs, usually lets you select from better, more serious players so there can be a fine line to run at times between just booking gigs and putting up with some crap so that the job gets done and $ flow vs refusing to deal with any nonsense at all in which case time to find a new line of work, lol. This idea of spending months rehearsing first isn't realistic either. A lot of "bands" do that. There has to be some actual $ work involved or you are usually left to sort through the bottom rung of quality unless you've already networked players with a unified plan of attack.
There was a time I had 40 different drummer's phone numbers on my cell just to make sure I could cover everything. The best ones were always booked, the trash was always wide open but usually I could get someone of reasonable quality. But to say I went through some real winners to assemble the band I have today is an understatement. I solved the drummer problem by convincing my brother to move here. I try not to dwell on the fact that a core member could get sick or die tomorrow and it will put me in a bind all over again. Also why networking is key. It's nice, critical actually, to have some other, reliable and quality contacts. Just some thoughts I guess.
DanTravis62
Well-known member
No, I actually hate pearl jam
Like I literally cannot stand them, as a band But when I listen to that bass tone, I hear it from an engineer's perspective, and everything about it is quite solid from that view
The sour notes are "passing" notes that provide the motion and groove to the song
From a technical perspective,, sure, it's a little wooly and midrangey, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing, it literally depends on the rest of the mix
The phone tuner, I don't really care as long as he's in tune, but that's the thing, if his intonation is literally a half step off, as OP said, that means when he plays an E on the seventh fret hes like 50 cents off of an E, and that is nowhere near acceptable
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yngHL
Member
Thanks for that.
1. Strings weren’t a major issue.
2. He played a lot of lines up high, and as I mentioned he was half a step out by the 12th fret.
3. We’re talking about making a record and playing live, is he going to pull out his phone mid set? IME phone tuner hasn’t worked for me but once again not a major issue.
4. Where did I say I was trying to change his tone to make my guitar sound better?
I don’t agree with your observation. Two people agreed to take things more seriously not just me. I don’t think it’s asking too much to have your instrument working properly before you pour time and money into a new endeavour. Appreciate the input but that last take is rubbish.
SgtThump
Real OG
"..noticed the strings were cooked and the neck was all over the place. Sure enough he hasn't changed strings since he bought it 6 years ago and the intonation by the 12th fret was about half a step out, i had finally found why our recordings sound a bit off. I asked him to change his strings and service his bass before we record..."
"...Other things to note is he's been using his phone to tune this whole time, i've asked if he could buy a proper tuner..."
"...He also likes to pump his midrange to where i struggle to hear myself in the mix, once again when i ask if he can tweak stuff a bit to try..."
Sorry. I guess I misunderstood every point in your post?
What has he been doing for a tuner live for the last year in the cover band?
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yngHL
Member
Our recordings were out of tune. Intonation was the main issue. Strings, tuner etc were minor.
I don’t get the harm in saying let’s try EQ both amps differently so they sit in the mix better.
I think you have misunderstood a bit but I could of communicated the post better.
That question has been answered.
SgtThump
Real OG
I actually completely agree with intonation. I have a sensitive ear to that, but I thought you were maybe being dramatic. LOL
He thinks the other things are just you picking him apart and that's how it would come across to me too.
Either way, good luck in your future endeavors. Off to a gig now.
He thinks the other things are just you picking him apart and that's how it would come across to me too.
Either way, good luck in your future endeavors. Off to a gig now.
romanianreaper
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He has to use his phone to tune because Trump's tarrifs are keeping tuner parts in the One Hung Lo factory. Additionally, he can't get strings because of Biden's "Uranium in Uranus" policy which affected all mining efforts...(add point)
All joking aside, it sucks when band members take things the wrong way when someone is trying to help. Tuning with a phone is caveman like in my opinion. Get a damn tuner for crying out loud. It is crazy that he doesn't want to sound his best and have the strings changed and neck setup, etc.
If you like the guy, maybe offer to take his bass to setup or split it with him. If he is getting too much, I'd say do the bass yourself or get someone else to do it. If he is getting upset about this stuff, it is going to get worse when you do shows or have other things pop up.
All joking aside, it sucks when band members take things the wrong way when someone is trying to help. Tuning with a phone is caveman like in my opinion. Get a damn tuner for crying out loud. It is crazy that he doesn't want to sound his best and have the strings changed and neck setup, etc.
If you like the guy, maybe offer to take his bass to setup or split it with him. If he is getting too much, I'd say do the bass yourself or get someone else to do it. If he is getting upset about this stuff, it is going to get worse when you do shows or have other things pop up.
FLUXX
Active member
Move on. Quickly.
That guy is what we musicians call a FLAKE. There are a lot of them.
If you want to put together a band, get ready to wade through a bunch of 'em...
That guy is what we musicians call a FLAKE. There are a lot of them.
If you want to put together a band, get ready to wade through a bunch of 'em...
romanianreaper
Well-known member
Sounds like a Death Metal song:
"See you tuning, up your bass, I just want to snack your face, in the studio, half past Noon, my fist will send you, out of tune
Poorly Intonated Bludge-o-ninnnnnnnnng!!"
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VonBonfire
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Hammer-smashed intonation.
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stewboy
Member
Hi Dave Mustaine
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VonBonfire
Well-known member
Good morning. Post-Dave Metallica sucks.
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inyarak74
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Fuck that dweeb
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inyarak74
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rsm
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Find a new bass player....
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romanianreaper
Well-known member
To the original poster, I think it is good to ask people here on the forum about this type of stuff because most of is have been in bands and it can be challenging. With that you'll get responses about him or about how might be, etc and nothing wrong with that. It is good to get different viewpoints.
At the end of the day it comes down to commitment and how important this is to you and how he acts. I was in a band with a friend years ago and he didn't want to do any cover songs, only originals. We hadn't written any originals and so a few of us suggested we do covers until we build up songs. We all went hone and came up with songs we wanted to cover. The drummer, bassist and I had lots of about 10 songs. His list was like 150. He did it to be passive aggressive and as expected he basically ended the group. It helps to have folks on the same page in a band.
At the end of the day it comes down to commitment and how important this is to you and how he acts. I was in a band with a friend years ago and he didn't want to do any cover songs, only originals. We hadn't written any originals and so a few of us suggested we do covers until we build up songs. We all went hone and came up with songs we wanted to cover. The drummer, bassist and I had lots of about 10 songs. His list was like 150. He did it to be passive aggressive and as expected he basically ended the group. It helps to have folks on the same page in a band.
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yngHL
Member
In response to him i said lets call off the EP, happy to still play casually like he mentioned. Next thing you know he's done a complete 180 and changed his whole character and blocked my number lolol. Moral of the story is always listen to random strangers on the internet.
And to point out how much of a comedian the universe is, the next day i see Opeth on a PRS ad talking about intonation and how PRS intonate so well on recordings. I'm pretty sure Opeth was his favourite band.