ICE, ICE, baby

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The~Kid said:
IMO People have a right to peaceful protest and protest peacefully..... that is a basic right of the Constitution and a sacred right......


But anyone can agree what was happening over the last 3 days was far from peaceful...... and whatever the case may be...... open violence and terror on the streets of America is not the answer or solution to anything and more people than not can agree with that :dunno:


And with the situation quickly spiraling out of control and deteriorating..... Governor Newsom and Mayor Karen Bass doing nothing over the last 3 days until it was too late.... The President did the right thing and had the President not taken action things in Los Angeles, CA and the country could have gotten much much worse.
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if you are in the USA illegally, you have basic human rights; no privileges, entitlements or any right to stay here.
 
rsm said:
if you are in the USA illegally, you have basic human rights; no privileges, entitlements or any right to stay here.
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What I find most disturbing most of all and more than anything aside from the open terror and violence is what they are doing to the American flag.


The flag doesnt deserve to be soiled in such a way...... those people and people in general should have respect for the flag. People died for the flag..... it deserves respect.
 
The~Kid said:
What I find most disturbing most of all and more than anything aside from the open terror and violence is what they are doing to the American flag.


The flag doesnt deserve to be soiled in such a way...... those people and people in general should have respect for the flag. People died for the flag..... it deserves respect.
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They fly their home country flags, desecrate the American flag, then demand to stay here after being here illegally.
 
rsm said:
They fly their home country flags, desecrate the American flag, then demand to stay here after being here illegally.
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IMO its just a complete lack of respect not just to those who fought and gave their lives to the flag and to the country......

Its just a complete lack of respect to what the flag/country represents......


The flag/country and those who gave their lives to/for the flag/country and fought to defend it and what it stands for deserve dignity and respect.
 
The~Kid said:
IMO its just a complete lack of respect not just to those who fought and gave their lives to the flag and to the country......

Its just a complete lack of respect to what the flag/country represents......


The flag/country and those who gave their lives to/for the flag/country and fought to defend it and what it stands for deserve dignity and respect.
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I don't expect respect from illegal invaders. They must be deported. All of them. Deportation of invaders should be our top export until it's completed.
 
buller said:
So our two visions of America are one where there are assassination attempts on presidential candidates, and one where there are out of control riots and military presence in our streets? Such great options for our "beautiful" country 🤣 It's all fucked
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Welcome “new member” buller. I’m sure you feel that way being from Illinois and all, another democRAT run shithole.
 
buller said:
Thanks for the warm welcome from your totally non-Democrat led state of CA! Also talk about MSM sheeple narratives. The fear mongering about Chicago is so blown out of proportion. Sure I'm biased but I've been all over the country and I'd MUCH rather be living in Chicago than NYC or any major city in CA. Like any big city, there are areas to avoid but use some common sense and it's fine. Besides, smart people know LA is the true urban shithole of the US, just look at what cities the National Guard is and isn't deployed in right now!
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I agree with L.A. but Chicago is not that far behind. It smells bad too, just like NYC, it needs some cleaning up. Maybe stop electing the same POS BLM loving democRAT leaders and get rid of that fat fuck, woke tranny loving governor as well. It would be a great start! :ROFLMAO:
 
buller said:
Yeah I'll agree that Chicago's mayors have been disasters. Our girthy governor seems like he has presidential ambitions but I can't imagine that a fat, ugly, billionaire dem will do well in a national election. Everyone knows if you're fat, ugly, and a billionaire you have to be a republican to gain any traction
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Maybe the democRATS should try a poor, fat, black tranny this time. Big Mike has too much money for that. :ROFLMAO:
 
Dan Gleesak said:
I think it’s ignorant that you believe you have more of a right to be in this country than anyone else. I am just making an assumption here, but I assume you were born here and that’s why you are a citizen? If that assumption is true, Good for you, you did absolutely nothing to enjoy the privilege of being an American.
Compare that to someone risking everything to come here to make a life for themselves, or their families, and folks like you demonize them for it. I think that is ignorant and goes against the very fiber of what our country, and what “American freedom” was built upon.
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This is not making any sense to me Dan. :dunno: I suppose you may have left this thread. I've always tried to give you the benefit of the doubt - but I'm not sure I'll ever be able to do that again. The statements in bold are just mind numbing to me. Don't worry about responding. It won't make any difference. The only thing that you could say that would make any sense would be if you told me you were laying on a thick coat of sarcasm. :dunno:

For myself, my family migrated here to the United States of America legally. Most came from Germany about 250 years ago. They traveled to Nebraska and built farms. I also have a little Native American Indian in me. My grandfather went on to college and became the Chief Editor of a medium sized city newspaper after serving in WWII. My other grandfather was in the Navy at that time as well. So these grandfathers decided to have kids that went on to have kids (me). So when you say I (someone) doesn't have more of a right to be here than an illegal immigrant or that I (we) did nothing to enjoy the privilege of being an American is fricken obtuse. I may not have served in the military but I pay a shit ton of taxes. Tax on sales commissions are almost 40%. That's my reward being successful.

That's not a question BTW.


SatanicPanic said:
Americans are not going to react well to military occupation so I don't see how this is going to contain potential violence. It's going to escalate until something really bad happens.
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Military occupation is a pretty strong interpretation and a mischaracterization IMO. So State and Fed govs are supposed to stand down? If what @watson503 posted this morning is correct, I don't know how anyone can defend people attacking ICE/Nat Guard for tracking down those who are here illegally. These people have been given plenty of warning and plenty of chances to leave on their own. There's an app for that.
 
311boogieman said:
This is not making any sense to me Dan. :dunno: I suppose you may have left this thread. I've always tried to give you the benefit of the doubt - but I'm not sure I'll ever be able to do that again. The statements in bold are just mind numbing to me. Don't worry about responding. It won't make any difference. The only thing that you could say that would make any sense would be if you told me you were laying on a thick coat of sarcasm. :dunno:

For myself, my family migrated here to the United States of America legally. Most came from Germany about 250 years ago. They traveled to Nebraska and built farms. I also have a little Native American Indian in me. My grandfather went on to college and became the Chief Editor of a medium sized city newspaper after serving in WWII. My other grandfather was in the Navy at that time as well. So these grandfathers decided to have kids that went on to have kids (me). So when you say I (someone) doesn't have more of a right to be here than an illegal immigrant or that I (we) did nothing to enjoy the privilege of being an American is fricken obtuse. I may not have served in the military but I pay a shit ton of taxes. Tax on sales commissions are almost 40%. That's my reward being successful.
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This is 100% why people give Dan so much shit here. Regardless of the subject he always makes these kinds of bad faith, ridiculously obtuse statements with zero regard for any perspective other than his own. But it's everyone else around here that's the problem, never him. I've already laid out his pattern of behavior so I don't think I need to rehash it. You tend to give people a large benefit of the doubt. Sometimes I wish I could be more like that, but I don't have that kind of patience with disingenuous people in me.
 
311boogieman said:
This is not making any sense to me Dan. :dunno: I suppose you may have left this thread. I've always tried to give you the benefit of the doubt - but I'm not sure I'll ever be able to do that again. The statements in bold are just mind numbing to me. Don't worry about responding. It won't make any difference. The only thing that you could say that would make any sense would be if you told me you were laying on a thick coat of sarcasm. :dunno:

For myself, my family migrated here to the United States of America legally. Most came from Germany about 250 years ago. They traveled to Nebraska and built farms. I also have a little Native American Indian in me. My grandfather went on to college and became the Chief Editor of a medium sized city newspaper after serving in WWII. My other grandfather was in the Navy at that time as well. So these grandfathers decided to have kids that went on to have kids (me). So when you say I (someone) doesn't have more of a right to be here than an illegal immigrant or that I (we) did nothing to enjoy the privilege of being an American is fricken obtuse. I may not have served in the military but I pay a shit ton of taxes. Tax on sales commissions are almost 40%. That's my reward being successful.

That's not a question BTW.




Military occupation is a pretty strong interpretation and a mischaracterization IMO. So State and Fed govs are supposed to stand down? If what @watson503 posted this morning is correct, I don't know how anyone can defend people attacking ICE/Nat Guard for tracking down those who are here illegally. These people have been given plenty of warning and plenty of chances to leave on their own. There's an app for that.
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The point I was trying to make was that people who were born here, like myself, generally don’t have any clue what it takes to become a citizen here in modern times. We were just born here. So sure, technically it is a birth right to be an American Citizen, BUT people from other countries have a right to come here and be citizens and enjoy our rights just the same.
I never said that we should just “let everyone in”, I am only sympathetic to the monumental effort involved in becoming a citizen, and that the system to document these people needs to be improved. If people’s main offense to immigrants being here is that they are illegal, why not make the system better so that they can be here legally? Makes sense doesn’t it? If people have other reasons to not want them here, that’s fine too but let’s have that conversation instead of hiding behind the veil of “but it’s illegal!”. To me that screams thinly veiled bigotry.

Immigration law is very complex and the language we use to describe it makes it even more complicated. We say things like “they entered the country illegally”, but it’s very clear in the law that doing so is not a criminal offense. You are not a criminal for entering the country “illegally”. It is a misdemeanor, and there are no other instances that I can think of where people consider others “criminals” for committing a misdemeanor.

The original point I tried to make in this thread about ICE is that deportation is a CIVIL penalty. So again think of other civil offenses that you know of, and understand that the way ICE is carrying out their raids for immigration, could soon be carried out the same way for other CIVIL offenses.

That is a slippery slope and should be scary for Americans.
 
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