yeah,Chubtone! i,too,thought that Dan would have been the "key" guitarist,but,even though he was great,John was the "man"...i've got a dvd copy of that infamous,rare New Year's Eve/Albuquerque,NM show,which was their 1st live show ever!!! it was in Dec '84,i guess.either way,for camcorder,it's a great show.the bands "tone",especially on that first self-titled album was HUGE(even on that live show).no band,out of L.A. had a bigger sound.not Ratt,not Quiet Riot,not Rough Cutt...no one! THEY WERE HEAVY!!! i always love having my stereo on "full volume",when song two,side two(of the 1st LP,yes "vinyl" kiddies...lol)called "Iconoclast",just finishes...then when the opening chords,of the next song,"Rock'n'Roll Maniac" hit and then the drums,bass,and the rest of the band "kick in"...man,that's pure 80's METAL,baby!!! ...and,btw,dont call me baby!!!