Ideas for DOUBLING guitar

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Sixtonoize":2yw2502x said:
Running a pair of different amps that compliment each other tonally is a good way to get a ridiculously huge sound.

When I had a VH4, I ran it with my UltraLead, and the result was absolutely ridiculous.
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Back to my 'fuller sound' thread, maybe I should just get a Recto or Recto-equivalent to complement my MarkIV. Yet its confusing because my tone already sounds damn big, it's just I want an extra flavour to it....

I think the Engl Fireball clashes a bit too much with the MarkIV for my liking.
 
get an old Rocktron Tsunami, it has a spatial thing that fills out the sound...some kind of phaser I suppose, so you can have that on and the chorus or either one on. Pretty cool effect. I don't really leave on much, just for variety. Kinda like a BBE thing.
 
OUTLAW1969":2o7ediah said:
What is your favorite way, or effect, to "double" your guitar for added thickness and texture (aside from multi-tracking)? I need ideas for an effect that I can use live, instead of double tracking. I have my usual methods, but just checking to see if I am missing something that you guys might know of.... THANKS.

Slight delay? De-tuner?

J.B. you are more than free to jump in here, because this is all your fault!!! :lol: :LOL:
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Tom Scholz developed the chorus for that specific reason. so use a chorus with the depth high and the rate low and it'll do a nice doubling sound
 
Two amps are needed for width.... simply running stereo doesnt do it. One amp needs to be delayed behind the other to create the spread. Adding cabs will make it appear to have width, but when you throw mics on the cabs and record it or listen at FOH, the guitar still ends up in the middle and not L/R regardless of panning.

Thats the reason why early Van Halen has only effect in one side...if it had been straight up the middle it would have swallowed up the stereo spectrum of the mix and essentially turned it to mono.
 
I typically take one track with one type of mic (57, ribbon, etc) and use a different kind of mic for a second track. I've found great success using a good ribbon mic (AT-4081) and a large diaghram condenser (AT-4047mp). It also helps to mic two different kinds of speakers, or two different cabs. Sounds huge, when panned hard left and right. :rock:

I have done the delay trick before, but if you ever run the track mono, you can end up with really bad phasing issues making the guitar track sound very thin :no: . Live, its less of an issue, especially if the house sound is set up in stereo.
 
Dimebag style.....
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Cheaper but basically the same.....(there's on for sale on the Dean forums for $125)
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Shiny_Surface":22593k2u said:
OUTLAW1969":22593k2u said:
What is your favorite way, or effect, to "double" your guitar for added thickness and texture (aside from multi-tracking)? I need ideas for an effect that I can use live, instead of double tracking. I have my usual methods, but just checking to see if I am missing something that you guys might know of.... THANKS.

Slight delay? De-tuner?

J.B. you are more than free to jump in here, because this is all your fault!!! :lol: :LOL:
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Multiple amp setup/slaving maybe?
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This
 
OUTLAW1969":246zdgnk said:
What is your favorite way, or effect, to "double" your guitar for added thickness and texture (aside from multi-tracking)? I need ideas for an effect that I can use live, instead of double tracking. I have my usual methods, but just checking to see if I am missing something that you guys might know of.... THANKS.

Slight delay? De-tuner?

J.B. you are more than free to jump in here, because this is all your fault!!! :lol: :LOL:
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Stereo micropitchshift (-9/+9 cents L/R) with 5 ms delay left and 10 ms delay right. Thick as a mf'er...

Steve
 
get a delta lab adm 1024 (or something sim). record one guitar track and then pan it left. then use an aux send to the delta lab with the effect to "double" and 100% effected. return it to a aux return and pan that hard right. make sure that you have the repeat set to minimal and the time from 10-30 ms. gets that thick sound in no time w/o using additional tracks. done it like this for 18 years.
 
I used the doubling on the Ibanez AD202 for years in a 1 guitar player band..
You can control the delay of the signal with the doubling..

 
OldSkoolNJ":3uic6vog said:
I used the doubling on the Ibanez AD202 for years in a 1 guitar player band..
You can control the delay of the signal with the doubling..

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That would sound like this then- very wide:


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i always try to get the best sound with as little processing as possible. If you do not want to actually record 2 separate tracks, mostly all the methods everyone is saying are viable options. If you are looking for a little more a dramatic effect, then using delays mixed wet with dry or doubling type chorus are cool.

But bear in mind what your looking to do, a much more natural method would be to track with 2 mics. Have 1 mic just a little further back then the other. That is an actual delay in the signal reaching the mics diaphragm. Same thing goes when tracking cabs with 2 or 4 speakers in them. There is signal reaching your mic from multiple sources, its a lot lower then the main speaker, but its still there and its still causing phase cancellations and doubling.

And that's all delays and chorus things are, Phase. whenever you have more than 1, it is in effect and it can be fun to come up with different methods when you bear this perspective in mind. Play around with that idea and see what you can come up with using multiple sources to create the pleasing phase effects you are looking for.

...Or quick and easy, record 1 track, duplicate track, send 2nd track to feed an aux with a 3-8ms delay on at 100% wet, sum both down and mix to taste.
 
pitch shifter set to unison

only discovered this recently but gives a chorus thickness without the modulation
 
Mic two different complimentary speakers and pan them L/R through the PA
 
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