degenaro
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SO popular is your measurement...than it's line 6Joeytpg":1rgmmmwm said:
Joeytpg
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hmmm I guess so.... more a combination of popularity with quality/sound.
For example, Fenders got VERY popular but they where good amps that sounded VERY good, same goes with Marshall, Mesa.
That's why I said Egnater, they're starting to become very popular, are good amps and sound very good too. IMHO of course
For example, Fenders got VERY popular but they where good amps that sounded VERY good, same goes with Marshall, Mesa.
That's why I said Egnater, they're starting to become very popular, are good amps and sound very good too. IMHO of course
degenaro
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Well Joey, that's just it...popular and quality are not how brand recognition is made. Also, just because a few thousand guys gush over certain things doesn't mean much...you're comparing companies that are 99% apart in terms of sales numbers.Joeytpg":17k3egqk said:hmmm I guess so.... more a combination of popularity with quality/sound.
For example, Fenders got VERY popular but they where good amps that sounded VERY good, same goes with Marshall, Mesa.
That's why I said Egnater, they're starting to become very popular, are good amps and sound very good too. IMHO of course
Shark Diver
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Nothing will probably ever compare to the big 2. As guitar keeps declining in popular music and the advance of digital tone machines keeps getting better, the chance for any one amp to dominate stages across the world seems nonexistent.
Joeytpg
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wait a sec. I'm not talking about one amp "taking on the amp market" Just "leave a solid mark".
glpg80
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Shark Diver
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Joeytpg":2act8w0d said:
Not sure there is much difference. To "leave a solid mark" it is going to have to be widely used. Which at that point is "taking on the amp market."
Sick Michael
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Im not really seeing the point of this....
I dont really expect to see a great deal of change to be honest. Most good guitar players who know tone, will have an appreciation of what Fender and Marshall deliver, and will dig that!
That said, for reasons of flexibility, pushing tonal boundaries, maybe even personal gravitation....players will still go for the likes of VHT, bogner, egnater, etc...sure, you might have little waves in popularity - I think Engls have gained a bit in recent years (good amps, unique sounds...). You ultimately need some musical trend to come along and hone in on a certain brand's sound - (eg. Nu-Metal and Rectifiers, or Death Metal and 5150s) for that signature tone to gain exposure and subsequently popularity - since so much of what we go as guitar players is trying to cop someone else's sound.
I dont expect any brand to "take over" next.
But things are always changing too....in ten years time, it will interesting to see how many of the amps we are seeing at NAMM now, display the longevity we see from a Twin or a Plexi....point is, lets say a manufacturer makes a "solid mark".....this is subject to change as technology will undoubtedly evolve.
I dont really expect to see a great deal of change to be honest. Most good guitar players who know tone, will have an appreciation of what Fender and Marshall deliver, and will dig that!
That said, for reasons of flexibility, pushing tonal boundaries, maybe even personal gravitation....players will still go for the likes of VHT, bogner, egnater, etc...sure, you might have little waves in popularity - I think Engls have gained a bit in recent years (good amps, unique sounds...). You ultimately need some musical trend to come along and hone in on a certain brand's sound - (eg. Nu-Metal and Rectifiers, or Death Metal and 5150s) for that signature tone to gain exposure and subsequently popularity - since so much of what we go as guitar players is trying to cop someone else's sound.
I dont expect any brand to "take over" next.
But things are always changing too....in ten years time, it will interesting to see how many of the amps we are seeing at NAMM now, display the longevity we see from a Twin or a Plexi....point is, lets say a manufacturer makes a "solid mark".....this is subject to change as technology will undoubtedly evolve.
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Heritage Softail
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The next popular amp will be the next computer simulation amp that some kid uses on his home created hit record. It will be popular and 'leave a mark'. In our down economy where people improvise and make due with what they have, the thing that will stand out is creativity and intensity. That is not a bad thing.
I think the VH4 and Uberschall have left a mark in the kind of music I like. Then again, I'm not much to think about but I'm all I think about....
I think the VH4 and Uberschall have left a mark in the kind of music I like. Then again, I'm not much to think about but I'm all I think about....
university81
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i'd probably agree with Orange, or at least seeing an increase in popularity, good prices solid build, and once you get past the orange colour 
great tones, i think they might sell more if they had more black tolex models in shops even
I've had more friends buy new orange amps in the past couple of months than anything else, if that's anything to go by
but there's so many builders and options out there, I don't think that there's any 'throne' to be taken, there's more people eating at the table now, which for consumers i think is great, i'm more inclined to buy an amp from a modder/clone build than a big amp manufacturer as well, so it all works out (for example Nik/Ceriatone make great amps at killer prices imo)
the whole issue with so much choice is that it can be harder to be satisfied with what you got, and easier to be tempted by something new/shiny or indeed different, everyone likes changing things up every once in a while, it's kinda why i'm kinda sticking to pedals in a clean amp .. less expensive
great tones, i think they might sell more if they had more black tolex models in shops evenI've had more friends buy new orange amps in the past couple of months than anything else, if that's anything to go by
but there's so many builders and options out there, I don't think that there's any 'throne' to be taken, there's more people eating at the table now, which for consumers i think is great, i'm more inclined to buy an amp from a modder/clone build than a big amp manufacturer as well, so it all works out (for example Nik/Ceriatone make great amps at killer prices imo)
the whole issue with so much choice is that it can be harder to be satisfied with what you got, and easier to be tempted by something new/shiny or indeed different, everyone likes changing things up every once in a while, it's kinda why i'm kinda sticking to pedals in a clean amp .. less expensive
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Shiny_Surface
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Internet forum lore or out in the real world?
Sometimes an amp/maker's recognition crosses over into both realms, while *some* of the more esoteric amps that seem so popular and beloved online (or even just isolated to a few specific forum or forums) mean nothing out in the trenches, or at the very least has much less recognition.
The market is so extremely fragmented these days I don't really see any pillars like days of old as much as a wide spread.
Sometimes an amp/maker's recognition crosses over into both realms, while *some* of the more esoteric amps that seem so popular and beloved online (or even just isolated to a few specific forum or forums) mean nothing out in the trenches, or at the very least has much less recognition.
The market is so extremely fragmented these days I don't really see any pillars like days of old as much as a wide spread.
Chris6870
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Shiny_Surface":36ykwnb8 said:
True.I was talking to one of the best known tube amp repair guys in NJ while I was picking up a Marshall that he had repaired for me.This guys shop is stuffed with tube amps, He asked me what other amps I had, I told him I had a Splawn Quick Rod and he was like, Hmm, never heard of em.
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Fenderoid
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I think Cornford,Diezel,Fortin ,Carol Ann and Suhr (CAA) deserve to leave a mark in the real world.
MississippiMetal
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In order for a new amp brand to become Iconic, I think FIRST Rock-N-Roll needs to get off its fucking ass and become iconic again. Music first. Gear can't become legendary unless it's used to make legendary music, and we are swimming in a sea of audible, forgettable shit these days.
Sick Michael
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Just a thought,
I would say, most brands leave a mark.....
lol....
I would say, most brands leave a mark.....
lol....
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Shiny_Surface
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MississippiMetal":1uggn6zi said:
To compound matters, alot of pretty cool (imo) "online star" amps are specifically marketed to the collector/home player crowd who have no intention of making that happen.
Some try to counteract this by getting endorsements in an effort to give their product more real world credibility.
thiswaythatway
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Is this was CNN I'd just pass this off as a slow news day. 
RockStarNick
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There was a similar thread on RT back in the day. Someone asked "When will someone come up with a completely NEW amplifier design?" Referring to the big 3: Fender, Marshall, and Vox. We discussed, and most people agreed that no matter how good the amp, at the core of MOST boutique designs, is a Fender (EQ before gain), Marshall (EQ after the gain stages), or Vox (Class A EL34 type). Sometimes, designs are hybrids of these two. When you think about it, there's 3 elements: Gain stages, EQ, and Power Amp. Until someone comes up with something new, besides this, that actually SOUNDS good, I'm not sure if they're going to "leave a mark".
Egnater makes great stuff, no doubt. They were wise enough to take a look at the amp market, and see the big gaping hole in the middle. NO ONE was making boutique-sounding, affordable amps that were right around the $1K mark. And no one was making boutique lunchbox amps at the $500 mark. And no one else had a partnership with GC. They struck at the right place, right time, right product, right price. A complete winning combination. People were tired of Fender Hot Rod deluxes. People were tired of Marshall Valvestates. People were tired of Line 6. And people couldn't afford Boogies or other boutique-y stuff. In comes Egnater, and they were the "other option" that people had been hoping for!
Again, great amps. I'm planning on buying a Tweaker. I've owned a Renegade and a Rebel. But I think their popularity is based on filling a hole in the market with good sounding, cleverly priced products - and not necessarily "game changing" designs.
Egnater makes great stuff, no doubt. They were wise enough to take a look at the amp market, and see the big gaping hole in the middle. NO ONE was making boutique-sounding, affordable amps that were right around the $1K mark. And no one was making boutique lunchbox amps at the $500 mark. And no one else had a partnership with GC. They struck at the right place, right time, right product, right price. A complete winning combination. People were tired of Fender Hot Rod deluxes. People were tired of Marshall Valvestates. People were tired of Line 6. And people couldn't afford Boogies or other boutique-y stuff. In comes Egnater, and they were the "other option" that people had been hoping for!
Again, great amps. I'm planning on buying a Tweaker. I've owned a Renegade and a Rebel. But I think their popularity is based on filling a hole in the market with good sounding, cleverly priced products - and not necessarily "game changing" designs.
some dude
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degenaro":2m9u2jop said:
When I first started out, there was only Peavey, Fender and Marshall that made amps. Pedals were made by DOD, Boss, and EHX, and if you wanted a wah you bought a Dunlop. Ibanez was high end shit with their TS-9 costing a small fortune.
This was in the early 90s. Prior to the internet, your knowledge of gear was limited to what was available locally.
Shiny_Surface":2m9u2jop said:
I'm seeing this a lot in this thread. Fortin for example is a brand I only read about on Rig-Talk. Diezel is more common, but generally I only see them mentioned on well healed, rock oriented forums. Even Bogner is priced out of the reach of most (exempting the Alchemist of course).
And the price tag kind of leads into Ed's comment about Line6/Fender/Peavey. You can go into the shittiest guitar store in the smallest no-horse town and chances are it'll carry one or two of those three brands, and if there's a second store it'll carry the third. Reason being is that people will actually buy that kind of stuff in a small town.
It's all about perspective. If all you do is browse the internet you'd think that Boss is about to go out of business, however if you see what kids are actually using it's mostly Boss and MXR.... or they're using those plastic Dano or Behringer pedals and dreaming about owning the Boss version. I thought access to the internet may have changed this, however if you dip into forums that cater to beginner/young guitarists.... places that debate the relative merits of various Line6 amps rather than scoff at them, and you realize that to people on a budget don't even consider the kind of gear that we (members of forums like Rig-Talk) have stashed in the corner because it's not as good as our main rig.
It's why I think something like the AxeFX will take over. Kids are already growing up with modelling amps and the AxeFX is making it acceptable to consider it a professional option. Why spend $3300 on a Bogner Ecstasy when you can spend $2000 on something that sounds just like an Ecstasy?.. and a small army of other high dollar amps and effects?
I own nothing but tube amps and the only digital piece I have is a delay pedal, but I can read the writing on the wall and I think it's just a matter of time.
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Giga
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In no particular order: Line6 and Peavey for their massive appeal to the price-conscious buyer and Soldano because the SLO is still the amp most other high-gainers are compared to.
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