ACShreds
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No matter how great technology gets, things hand made by humans will always be more valuable.
Ventura
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No hijack, but Andrew's products simply kick assbubbastain":20dnvy2s said:
glpg80
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ACShreds":3j06e3hd said:
not sure how to take this comment but PCB builds do not build themselves just as PTP boards do not build themselves. I build prototype boards for a living - the amount of hours under a microscope it takes to assemble and hand place solder paste over solder masking is un-believable.
PCB builds allow you to also account for other added factors like lead capacitance, which can throw a phase change to a specific frequency due to impedance/opposition.
James Brown, the designer of the 5150, is the only person i know to take advantage of this in designing the 5150.
you cant do that with PTP. You cant even try.
JTyson
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I cant hear any difference between the two, but I like to see a nice hand-done board in there. Always gives me a warm-fuzzy feeling
I will say if I decided to go mental and do a mod, or any type of replacement of a component within a circuit on my own, I would rather not have to wrestle with a pcb
Guess I'm a pcb pussy
I will say if I decided to go mental and do a mod, or any type of replacement of a component within a circuit on my own, I would rather not have to wrestle with a pcb
Guess I'm a pcb pussy
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Cool, you mean like high end PCB amps lovingly assembled by humans?ACShreds":3nb3jjqk said:
Steve
Kapo_Polenton
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It is a total art... if you've ever put your hands inside an amp or built one, you gain an appreciation really quick for those who do fine work by hand. I am such a hack .. my work ends up looking like those old Traynor YBA-1's with spaghetti leads all over the place. Still though I can't resist. Makes it look "vintage" i guess 
. Hopefully more people can appreciate what the hand builders do. Also, Ceriatone's stuff is beautifully laid out. Props to Nick's 3$ a day workers on that one!!
As for the PCB vs turret board debate.. let's be honest, sound wise there should be little to no difference. Advantage to turret boards where mods are concerned ( I hated taking up my JCM800 PCB just to swap in and try a few diff values, seriously) but advantage to PCB for use of space (in most cases). The only place PCB designs really suck are when they are built into the POTS like some of the more recent Marshall stuff is done. My Laney Pro tubes had separate POTS and tube sockets much like an older JMP/JCM800 and that is a very neat design. No issues with that.
. Hopefully more people can appreciate what the hand builders do. Also, Ceriatone's stuff is beautifully laid out. Props to Nick's 3$ a day workers on that one!!As for the PCB vs turret board debate.. let's be honest, sound wise there should be little to no difference. Advantage to turret boards where mods are concerned ( I hated taking up my JCM800 PCB just to swap in and try a few diff values, seriously) but advantage to PCB for use of space (in most cases). The only place PCB designs really suck are when they are built into the POTS like some of the more recent Marshall stuff is done. My Laney Pro tubes had separate POTS and tube sockets much like an older JMP/JCM800 and that is a very neat design. No issues with that.
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High end PCB amps are well designed, use top notch components and are lovingly hand assembled by the builders...Kapo_Polenton":3gophn2q said:It is a total art... if you've ever put your hands inside an amp or built one, you gain an appreciation really quick for those who do fine work by hand. I am such a hack .. my work ends up looking like those old Traynor YBA-1's with spaghetti leads all over the place. Still though I can't resist. Makes it look "vintage" i guess
Steve
Kapo_Polenton
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Agreed!.. I edited my post above..
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Kapo_Polenton":2wm82k7m said:
Steve
LickliterAmps
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Jerry,
I think I found those tag boards. Did you get them from England? They look just like the boards in the Cornford amps! Look like quality product!
I think I found those tag boards. Did you get them from England? They look just like the boards in the Cornford amps! Look like quality product!
jerrydyer
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you know what they owe me a shipment from like months ago. they said they were back ordered.. thanks for reminding me. i need some. dang europeans
Zap
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As long as there's a market, I think there'll always be hand-wired amps.
Spaceboy
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I've never had a hand wired amp before, but it looks like more thing to go wrong to me...
jerrydyer
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its the exact opposite. its easy to diagnose and repair. some circuits have those incredibly small parts.
rupe
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I've heard both sides of this argument from some pretty well respected names. If there is an audible difference, I think you need Eric Johnson ears to hear it (I recall he can tell the brand of battery used in a wah just by listening...not sure if that's true or legend). I personally can't tell a difference in the only direct comparison that I did (Marshall 1959). I did notice a big difference between my '68 Deluxe Reverb and a newer '65 reissue, but I think there's a lot of difference beyond the PCB between those two amps.
Regarding hand wired amps, what is the benefit of true PTP vs handwired on boards or strips? Here's some gut shots of my Matchless Chieftain...look ma, no boards!
Regarding hand wired amps, what is the benefit of true PTP vs handwired on boards or strips? Here's some gut shots of my Matchless Chieftain...look ma, no boards!
jerrydyer
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i like it 
rupe
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But why do it that way?jerrydyer":1rsvai34 said:i like it
jerrydyer
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for mine its just easier.
rupe
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But you're using boards, correct? What's the advantage to going with true PTP construction? Seems like it would be a major PITA.jerrydyer":14dzrk0k said:
