Is this guy crazy?

[Gino]

Alright, so I think my friend/coworker is a little obsessed but I'd like to know what you guys think and what your experience is with these amps... He had a TSL and, while he liked the tone, he couldn't stand how it switched channels. When he'd hit the switch, there would be a volume swell and it drove him nuts. So now he's selling the amp. He's a big fan of the Rectifier and has had his heart set on a Dual Rec for quite a while. When he checked one out at GC, he gave up his hopes of owning one because when he hit the footswitch to change channels there was an audible "pop" that came through the amp. He said was even louder than the guitar signal coming through at the same time. So now his criteria for buying an amp, in order of importance, is: 1) How it switches. 2) How it sounds. He's now looking into a Peavey JSX because his other guitar player has one and it doesn't make any noise when it switches. His other option is the Egnater Renegade, which I recommended, but he hasn't tried it yet and if it pops when switching he won't even consider it.

So what gives? Are all these switching issues really that prevalent? I find it hard to believe that after all these years this is the first I've heard of a Dual Rec loudly popping when switching between channels. Is this something he should just get over? I told him that his priorities are a little off but he's obsessed now and if he doesn't like how it switches, he doesn't care how it sounds after that.

 

[Anonymous]

When I did a lot of channel switching, it was a HUGE issue for me. I couldn't stand the switching delays and pops. I actually got rid of my Rectoverb for that reason. I don't do much channel switching these days, but if you go back and forth a lot, I can see how that becomes an issue.

 

[cyndicate]

Alright, so I think my friend/coworker is a little obsessed but I'd like to know what you guys think and what your experience is with these amps... He had a TSL and, while he liked the tone, he couldn't stand how it switched channels. When he'd hit the switch, there would be a volume swell and it drove him nuts. So now he's selling the amp. He's a big fan of the Rectifier and has had his heart set on a Dual Rec for quite a while. When he checked one out at GC, he gave up his hopes of owning one because when he hit the footswitch to change channels there was an audible "pop" that came through the amp. He said was even louder than the guitar signal coming through at the same time. So now his criteria for buying an amp, in order of importance, is: 1) How it switches. 2) How it sounds. He's now looking into a Peavey JSX because his other guitar player has one and it doesn't make any noise when it switches. His other option is the Egnater Renegade, which I recommended, but he hasn't tried it yet and if it pops when switching he won't even consider it.

So what gives? Are all these switching issues really that prevalent? I find it hard to believe that after all these years this is the first I've heard of a Dual Rec loudly popping when switching between channels. Is this something he should just get over? I told him that his priorities are a little off but he's obsessed now and if he doesn't like how it switches, he doesn't care how it sounds after that.

I think the "pop" bothers a lot of people, there was a thread about it on the boogie boards as well, it is actually a pretty loud pop and gets annoying because it happens more than once if you constantly switch channels. From my experience it only happens with the rectifier amps, the Roadking II I previously had would once in awhile make a loud pop, and I hear of delay issues with the Roadster amps.

 

[stefvorcide]

POPs and Hum annoy me as well. The JSX is a good amp, let him get it and call it a day. I kinda wish I haven't sold mine. The lead tones were awesome when it was cranked

 

[glpg80]

POPs and Hum annoy me as well. The JSX is a good amp, let him get it and call it a day. I kinda wish I haven't sold mine. The lead tones were awesome when it was cranked

one of the most awsome tones i ever experienced in my entire life was a $300 ESP LTD through a JSX cranked to 10.

amazing tone - was just out of this world - no words could describe it

 

[Random Hero]

It can be annoying but if you cycle the channels on the Recto for a bit before playing then it usually kills whatever build up is in the switching circuit and stops popping. Obviously not in every case but this worked on mine.

 

[Shark Diver]

That would be a major issue for me as well. RJM has some CS thing in their units which is suppose to help with this - I think. If it wasn't super loud it might be ok in live situation as most switches would be on the downbeat and drowned out a little. But if It bugged me enough I'd get rid of the amps as well. Too many good ones that don't have these issues out there.

 

[crwnedblasphemy]

Tell him them to get a CAA SAE OD100. He will probably end his search after that!

 

[JTyson]

Not all dual recs have that pop, I've had 3, and none of them did that. I'm sure Mike B at boogie could sort that out. If he liked the TSL, he should be able to find quite a few new amps that he loves, I never could get the TSL's dialed where I liked them. My least fav Marshall. I bet he would like a JVM 210, The JVM's are totally silent switching wise, and they sound great. He could get a used one for not too much

 

[turmoil]

no issues on my powerball and i never had problems with my old 5150II.
for my triple recto, however i always get the pop when switching between the orange and red channels. i've tried cycling through the channels before firing it up, and while it was on at low volumes and it's always there.

 

[glassjaw7]

Not all dual recs have that pop, I've had 3, and none of them did that. I'm sure Mike B at boogie could sort that out. If he liked the TSL, he should be able to find quite a few new amps that he loves, I never could get the TSL's dialed where I liked them. My least fav Marshall. I bet he would like a JVM 210, The JVM's are totally silent switching wise, and they sound great. He could get a used one for not too much

My dual pops very loud when changing channels. I called Boogie and they basically told me to deal with it You'd think if other high end manufacturers can build channel switching amps that don't pop when changing channels, then friggin Mesa/boogie could do it too. Especially for the price.. They should address this problem.

As a side note, someone at Boogie also recently told me that the slave out on my dual cannot be used to run a wet/dry rig because it is the pre and power amp signal coming out and would overload another effects unit and power amp.
I dug out my manual and it says that you CAN do that very thing. Hmm, weird. I have good experience overall with their service, but things like this bother me.

 

[liamlw]

to be honest when I used the DR at actual decent volumes I didn't hear any pops.

 

[JTyson]

Not all dual recs have that pop, I've had 3, and none of them did that. I'm sure Mike B at boogie could sort that out. If he liked the TSL, he should be able to find quite a few new amps that he loves, I never could get the TSL's dialed where I liked them. My least fav Marshall. I bet he would like a JVM 210, The JVM's are totally silent switching wise, and they sound great. He could get a used one for not too much

My dual pops very loud when changing channels. I called Boogie and they basically told me to deal with it You'd think if other high end manufacturers can build channel switching amps that don't pop when changing channels, then friggin Mesa/boogie could do it too. Especially for the price.. They should address this problem.

As a side note, someone at Boogie also recently told me that the slave out on my dual cannot be used to run a wet/dry rig because it is the pre and power amp signal coming out and would overload another effects unit and power amp.
I dug out my manual and it says that you CAN do that very thing. Hmm, weird. I have good experience overall with their service, but things like this bother me.

Wow, strange, I had found them to be as helpful as they could over the phone, but I only had to call them with a problem once in several years of using them. That would bother me too In less than 15 min Mike told me what it was, and how to fix it without sending it in

 

[messenger]

My old 6505+ started popping during channel changes a few months after owning it so I took it in, and the tech changed a relay.It was fine after that.

 

[Gino]

Thanks for all the responses, guys. All very interesting stuff and I'm quite surprised at the range of experiences. Some say Dual Recs pop, some say theirs didn't... Weird. I agree with the sentiment that if one company can make noiseless switching, then every company can. Unless there's some design trade-off that I don't know about, it just seems silly that people have to deal with this issue.

 

[gbsmusic]

My 5150III was very quiet and smooth.

 

[Shiny_Surface]

It can be annoying but if you cycle the channels on the Recto for a bit before playing then it usually kills whatever build up is in the switching circuit and stops popping. Obviously not in every case but this worked on mine.

This is the solution, the channel popping issue with Recto's is well documented.

You simply cycle through all the channels on standby, that will eliminate the first loud pop when first switching channels that most people are refering to when they complain about this issue.

Now after that, there is usually one small pop when going to a specific channel that will always be there, but you can only hear it when the amp is set at bedroom type volume.

 

[FortinAmps]

Alright, so I think my friend/coworker is a little obsessed but I'd like to know what you guys think and what your experience is with these amps... He had a TSL and, while he liked the tone, he couldn't stand how it switched channels. When he'd hit the switch, there would be a volume swell and it drove him nuts. So now he's selling the amp. He's a big fan of the Rectifier and has had his heart set on a Dual Rec for quite a while. When he checked one out at GC, he gave up his hopes of owning one because when he hit the footswitch to change channels there was an audible "pop" that came through the amp. He said was even louder than the guitar signal coming through at the same time. So now his criteria for buying an amp, in order of importance, is: 1) How it switches. 2) How it sounds. He's now looking into a Peavey JSX because his other guitar player has one and it doesn't make any noise when it switches. His other option is the Egnater Renegade, which I recommended, but he hasn't tried it yet and if it pops when switching he won't even consider it.

So what gives? Are all these switching issues really that prevalent? I find it hard to believe that after all these years this is the first I've heard of a Dual Rec loudly popping when switching between channels. Is this something he should just get over? I told him that his priorities are a little off but he's obsessed now and if he doesn't like how it switches, he doesn't care how it sounds after that.

If your buddy has his heart set on a Dual Recto, go for the older ones. They didn't use relays, they used LDRs, no popping

 

[Gino]

Alright, so I think my friend/coworker is a little obsessed but I'd like to know what you guys think and what your experience is with these amps... He had a TSL and, while he liked the tone, he couldn't stand how it switched channels. When he'd hit the switch, there would be a volume swell and it drove him nuts. So now he's selling the amp. He's a big fan of the Rectifier and has had his heart set on a Dual Rec for quite a while. When he checked one out at GC, he gave up his hopes of owning one because when he hit the footswitch to change channels there was an audible "pop" that came through the amp. He said was even louder than the guitar signal coming through at the same time. So now his criteria for buying an amp, in order of importance, is: 1) How it switches. 2) How it sounds. He's now looking into a Peavey JSX because his other guitar player has one and it doesn't make any noise when it switches. His other option is the Egnater Renegade, which I recommended, but he hasn't tried it yet and if it pops when switching he won't even consider it.

So what gives? Are all these switching issues really that prevalent? I find it hard to believe that after all these years this is the first I've heard of a Dual Rec loudly popping when switching between channels. Is this something he should just get over? I told him that his priorities are a little off but he's obsessed now and if he doesn't like how it switches, he doesn't care how it sounds after that.

If your buddy has his heart set on a Dual Recto, go for the older ones. They didn't use relays, they used LDRs, no popping

I did not know that. Thanks, I'll let him know!

 

[Gainiac]

I was going to chime in, but stopped reading as soon as you said your buddy was interested in a dual rec....
Tell him to buy a Fortin and he wont have any issues at all!!