Jack Bruce bitches about Led Zeppelin

[King Crimson]

I LOVE both bands, but page does not shit all over clapton. Period. Show me anything page ever did lead-wise that compares to cream-era clapton.

Especially live.

Live Page absolutely blows. His timing was horrible, his tone was totally boring...what else??? Page was a horrible excuse for a lead guitarist.

 

[Juggernaut]

Fuck both Clapton and Page.....


Iommi FTW!!!!

 

[thiswaythatway]

I was never a big fan of Clapton. I like the Cream stuff but i always thought as a guitar player that Clapton was really overrated. Strictly talking about guitar, Hendrix and Beck both were miles beyond Clapton, and SRV walked circles around Clapton when it comes to raw blues.

I think of Clapton as more a songwriter/singer who happens to play guitar.

And I'd rather listen to Dazed And Confused or War Pigs instead of shit like Lay Down Sally.

Lay Down Sally isnt quite Cream era Clapton

Clapton has lived more of his life playing lame shit like Lay Down Sally rather than the cool Cream stuff. I once saw a video of Clapton jamming with Floyd on Money and it just didn't work, sounded extremely lame. Gilmour smoked him.

 

[Copperhead]

Drunken Monkey Style

Wait.....didn't I see that on "Kung Fu Theater"??

 

[Digital Jams]

Page in the studio was years ahead of Clapton, the stuff he was doing back then engineering wise was insane.

Carouselambra from In Through the Out Door in 79 is nuts and the breaks are some heavy ass shit. Most of Page's problem live was that no way in hell was he going to pull off 1/2 of the studio stuff he did.

The metal kiddies need to check out 4:23 on Carouselambra for a lesson in heavy. Shit it must have been awesome to be in the studio seeing Bonham and Page track

Just not a big Clapton fan

 

[david simpson]

Page production/recording skills = pure win

 

[AmpliFIRE]

I'm definitely MUCH more of a Led Zep fan, but Cream is killer as well.

I'm not into Clapton as a guitar player, but I think his vibrato is killer...

 

[thiswaythatway]

Page in the studio was years ahead of Clapton, the stuff he was doing back then engineering wise was insane.

Carouselambra from In Through the Out Door in 79 is nuts and the breaks are some heavy ass shit. Most of Page's problem live was that no way in hell was he going to pull off 1/2 of the studio stuff he did.

The metal kiddies need to check out 4:23 on Carouselambra for a lesson in heavy. Shit it must have been awesome to be in the studio seeing Bonham and Page track

Just not a big Clapton fan

Page's biggest problem was heroine more than anything probably.

 

[thiswaythatway]

I LOVE both bands, but page does not shit all over clapton. Period. Show me anything page ever did lead-wise that compares to cream-era clapton.

Especially live.

Live Page absolutely blows. His timing was horrible, his tone was totally boring...what else??? Page was a horrible excuse for a lead guitarist.

And i could give you 10 lifetimes and you still won't be able to come up with anything that can match Pages live solo on Stairway. And let's give you 50 years to try and come up with a riff as cool as Black Dog. I won't hold my breath.

 

[Gainzilla]

Liked Cream alot, though clapton was decent but nothing worth worshipping( to me), Vibrato among the best? . Got to respect the man for his impact though and have to admit that through the years, he puts out some stuff that I dug. You cant shit on a guy thats remained relevant for all of these years, regardless of if you like his music or playing

Love Page to death and would have to give the nod though its strictly based on preference..

 

[RaceU4her]

Live Page absolutely blows. His timing was horrible, his tone was totally boring...what else??? Page was a horrible excuse for a lead guitarist.

i wish i could play songs like the rain song or no quarter as shitty as page live.

 

[Gainzilla]

Of course, Schon has also taken inspiration from more than a few notable 6-stringers—everyone from Albert King and B.B. King to Eric Clapton and John McLaughlin. “I listened to a lot of Clapton’s vibrato,” says Schon. “I liked how he would often bend into a note, sit on it for a second, and then waver it a couple beats later

http://www.supload.com/music/Spoonful-d ... 3OVSG.html

so has EVH, the guy has sung the praises of EC since day one but Ill take VH's or Schon Vibrato over EC's any day of the week..

 

[jcj]

I was never a big fan of Clapton. I like the Cream stuff but i always thought as a guitar player that Clapton was really overrated. Strictly talking about guitar, Hendrix and Beck both were miles beyond Clapton, and SRV walked circles around Clapton when it comes to raw blues.

I think of Clapton as more a songwriter/singer who happens to play guitar.

And I'd rather listen to Dazed And Confused or War Pigs instead of shit like Lay Down Sally.

Amen. To all of it

 

['63-Strat]

No offense, but I think a lot of you guys don't really get Clapton. Ask BB King who's the best white blues player. Its not SRV (who's great, don't get me wrong), its Clapton. Lots of you guys use 80s metal players as your reference point and that's just apples and oranges, and one type of vibrato isn't better than another, its all about context. I love Page, but as EVH said, he often sounded like his fingers were broken live.

 

[david simpson]

I saw 3 of the 8 shows Clapton did in 1981.....March 5th, 6th and 7th...before he collapsed and cancelled the rest of the tour.....Those shows were great.
I dont advocate drug use...but back in those days....he was better when he was strung out...

 

[RaceU4her]

No offense, but I think a lot of you guys don't really get Clapton. Ask BB King who's the best white blues player. Its not SRV (who's great, don't get me wrong), its Clapton. Lots of you guys use 80s metal players as your reference point and that's just apples and oranges, and one type of vibrato isn't better than another, its all about context. I love Page, but as EVH said, he often sounded like his fingers were broken live.

i never got the whole "dont get it" thing with music. to me you either like it or you dont.

 

[Gainzilla]

No offense, but I think a lot of you guys don't really get Clapton. Ask BB King who's the best white blues player. Its not SRV (who's great, don't get me wrong), its Clapton. Lots of you guys use 80s metal players as your reference point and that's just apples and oranges, and one type of vibrato isn't better than another, its all about context. I love Page, but as EVH said, he often sounded like his fingers were broken live.

None taken but Since when is BB King considered the first and last word on Blues Players Colin? I respect the man of course but theres guys I like better than Clapton; Albert King, Freddie King, Buddy Guy just to name a few... I have immense respect for Clapton, I think that its foolish not to, I just prefer others to him...

 

[LedZep77]

I respect Clapton, but he never really left an impact on me.

Meanwhile, Page's songwriting, especially on some of his acoustic stuff, never fails to impress. I'll never forget the first time I heard The Rain Song - it gave me goosebumps. Also, (I will probably be in the minority here) Bron-Y-Aur Stomp is one of my favorite songs of all-time - the beat, the lyrics, the guitar - everything about it is just fantastic.

 

['63-Strat]

No offense, but I think a lot of you guys don't really get Clapton. Ask BB King who's the best white blues player. Its not SRV (who's great, don't get me wrong), its Clapton. Lots of you guys use 80s metal players as your reference point and that's just apples and oranges, and one type of vibrato isn't better than another, its all about context. I love Page, but as EVH said, he often sounded like his fingers were broken live.

None taken but Since when is BB King considered the first and last word on Blues Players Colin? I respect the man of course but theres guys I like better than Clapton; Albert King, Freddie King, Buddy Guy just to name a few... I have immense respect for Clapton, I think that its foolish not to, I just prefer others to him...

Well, actually I would say as far as living blues guys go, BB gets the nod, IMO. He's earned it for decades both guitarwise and vocally. And I didn't say Clapton's the "best" blues guitarist, I said BB said he's the best white blues guitarist, and for me personally his opinion carries more weight than anyone on here. I love Albert King and Freddie King, not a big fan of Buddy Guy. But that's neither here nor there. I think a lot of primarily rock guys are going to pick zep/page every time. And that's fine, but to compare Clapton and Page as lead players to me is a non-issue. You can't compare them if we're talking blues players, IMO. Zep was very much about the whole band being greater than the sum of its parts, and then add Page's songwriting+production. In that area, Page wins. As a rock rhythm player, he wins. As far as what Clapton did best in Cream, live improv, vibrato, phrasing, lead tone, and touch, Clapton wins. Of course I don't expect people to agree. But when guys like BB King and even EVH consider him the man, and people all over message boards say he sucks and is overrated I find it silly.

 

[thiswaythatway]

No offense, but I think a lot of you guys don't really get Clapton. Ask BB King who's the best white blues player. Its not SRV (who's great, don't get me wrong), its Clapton. Lots of you guys use 80s metal players as your reference point and that's just apples and oranges, and one type of vibrato isn't better than another, its all about context. I love Page, but as EVH said, he often sounded like his fingers were broken live.

i never got the whole "dont get it" thing with music. to me you either like it or you dont.

I agree. If i don't like something then there's nothing to get. I feel that's just a way for people to somehow justify their own opinion as the right one. Some say i "don't get" that band Sunn, and i dare you to try to listen to 5 seconds of the fucking bullshit

I mean, i as well respect Clapton for all the great music he has wrote and played and I'll listen to a lot of his stuff, but he's just nowhere near one of my favorites, that's all.