Jake E Lee's new band footage from Whiskey Show last night!

[paulyc]

He never was that clean of a player, more on the sloppy side.

I dunno man… He sounds pretty precise on this version of "Crowley" from '84:

Steve

That doesn't sound that precise to me. The left and right hand are just not quite together on the faster stuff. Guess we just have different definitions of clean / precise playing.

Put up your version of it if that's not precise...it is a live gig after all, and I'd bet even Randy couldn't play it EXACTLY like the album 99% of the time.

 

[Anonymous]

He never was that clean of a player, more on the sloppy side.

I dunno man… He sounds pretty precise on this version of "Crowley" from '84:

Steve

That doesn't sound that precise to me. The left and right hand are just not quite together on the faster stuff. Guess we just have different definitions of clean / precise playing.

Well, I guess if he was sitting on a stool playing it it would be perfect, but he's jumping around live trying to put on a show. I thought it was pretty damn clean for dancing around playing live… I dunno…

I certainly didn't mean that it was accurate to the original recording, just pretty precise playing...

Steve

 

[paulyc]

Even Randy wasn't a God...he makes a mess of the triple tracked solos in a few places on the studio albums where he IS sitting down and just playing it in the studio.

 

[TrueTone500]

Even Randy wasn't a God...he makes a mess of the triple tracked solos in a few places on the studio albums where he IS sitting down and just playing it in the studio.

Randy wasn't a god! WTF?

Which solos are you referring to?

 

[jabps]

I've tried to watch as much of this stuff as I can...the problem folks starts with his backing band. They are horrible.

Jake is the anchor here...wrong. That starts with the drummer and he's brutally bad. The fact is...regardless of Jakes abilities at this point he certainly doesn't need to be sharing the stage with these people. IMO Jake has never been the cleanest player, even when at the top of his game but that's his style, I have no problems with it.

Most of us have always been fans of Jake...whether from Ozzy or Badlands...some if not all that stuff is fantastic. The problem here...and really with Jakes last project with Mandy Lion was that it's just subpar. Thing is, living in Nashville you literally can find dozens of drummers, singers and bassist that can mop the floor with these guys...not just musically but with stage presence as well. To see Jake laboring away with these guys is the most perplexing thing about all of it...when you know there are players out there that could make this all so much better.

 

[luther910]

I've tried to watch as much of this stuff as I can...the problem folks starts with his backing band. They are horrible.

Jake is the anchor here...wrong. That starts with the drummer and he's brutally bad. The fact is...regardless of Jakes abilities at this point he certainly doesn't need to be sharing the stage with these people. IMO Jake has never been the cleanest player, even when at the top of his game but that's his style, I have no problems with it.

Most of us have always been fans of Jake...whether from Ozzy or Badlands...some if not all that stuff is fantastic. The problem here...and really with Jakes last project with Mandy Lion was that it's just subpar. Thing is, living in Nashville you literally can find dozens of drummers, singers and bassist that can mop the floor with these guys...not just musically but with stage presence as well. To see Jake laboring away with these guys is the most perplexing thing about all of it...when you know there are players out there that could make this all so much better.

Very true. The band just screams insecurity, look at the bassist, it's painful. Sadly this also include Jake, he is not connecting much with his audience, hardly ever looking up from his guitar. Another thing is that he often sounds out of tune, but it could also be his playing (or me).

I want to love their music but i just can't. Currently I listen to "Bark out the moon" in my player, a song he now doesn't play without making mistakes. I know, I know, armchair quarterback, etc. But still, sad but true.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

The bassist looks like a stone statue up there but at least he's got skill and sounds good. As I mentioned in this thread and all other threads on this subject, that drummer is terrible. No groove and no timing and plays every drum at the same volume. He's also struggling out there, watch him.. he can't interact with anyone in the band because he is too afraid to screw up. Shame really, a tighter band would help Jake get tighter.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

He never was that clean of a player, more on the sloppy side.

I dunno man… He sounds pretty precise on this version of "Crowley" from '84:

Steve

That doesn't sound that precise to me. The left and right hand are just not quite together on the faster stuff. Guess we just have different definitions of clean / precise playing.

Well, I guess if he was sitting on a stool playing it it would be perfect, but he's jumping around live trying to put on a show. I thought it was pretty damn clean for dancing around playing live… I dunno…

I certainly didn't mean that it was accurate to the original recording, just pretty precise playing...

Steve

Randy moved around quite a bit and got picked up all the time by Ozzy and he still ripped live. Definitely a cleaner player of the two but hey, I wasn't as much of a fan of Jake covering Randy's stuff but really liked him on his own stuff and thought he ripped his own leads pretty good live. I'd say clean enough for a guy that moved around and put on a great show :

 

[jabps]

The bassist looks like a stone statue up there but at least he's got skill and sounds good. As I mentioned in this thread and all other threads on this subject, that drummer is terrible. No groove and no timing and plays every drum at the same volume. He's also struggling out there, watch him.. he can't interact with anyone in the band because he is too afraid to screw up. Shame really, a tighter band would help Jake get tighter.

Totally agree...drummer is just bad...no chops, no groove, no feel, no presence. Same for the Bass player. Singer...well anytime you have to apologize for sucking in rock n roll, you probably have no business being there in the first place. Surely Jake can do better? You'd think.

Deal is...better band and Jake would be more comfortable which definitely makes any of us play better. Anybody that was lucky enough to see Badlands...there you go. Simple, stripped down powerful rock band with great players where Jake wasn't carrying the load.

Maybe he can get back to that point but it will not be with the guys.

 

[Spirithunter]

Wow! That was bad. I had to bail half way through Bark at the moon.

 

[RG955TT]

Most of the guys I've played with in my 36 years of playing are better than this band. That's all of them, drummer especially. It used to be you looked up to National Acts, they were just one notch under the big guys, but too much of what I see and hear these days is pretty abysmal, all of it from Jeff Tate's band, that video of Zak playing with JB, and on and on. Really a shame when a lot of the local talent in your area is better that a lot of National Acts this one included.

 

[Shawn Lutz]

here is a good read from Jake on the new project ans the performance at whiskey
http://www.bravewords.com/news/215468

 

[paulyc]

Even Randy wasn't a God...he makes a mess of the triple tracked solos in a few places on the studio albums where he IS sitting down and just playing it in the studio.

Randy wasn't a god! WTF?

Which solos are you referring to?

Randy said himself that he hated doing the EVH tapping stuff, but he had to to "compete"...but for all his neoclassical leanings, he never really "broke the mold" like Yngwie did, and maybe that's an unfair comment to make given that he died so young, but how old was Malmsteen when he landed in America...19 ? And his style was fully developed. I like Randy, but I'll NEVER be a fanboi of his.

I forget the solo in particular, but Curt Mitchell points it out on his Randy Rhoads instructional video that he messes up the timing and makes a mess of it...and they kept it on there for eternity...was that a record company budget constraint or an Ozzy "it's good enough" deal ? It's a climb up the neck...maybe "I Don't Know"...I can't remember.

 

[Badronald]

here is a good read from Jake on the new project ans the performance at whiskey
http://www.bravewords.com/news/215468

Wow. That actually clears a lot of stuff up. Great, candid interview.
Interesting stuff about Sharon and Ray.

 

[TrueTone500]

Even Randy wasn't a God...he makes a mess of the triple tracked solos in a few places on the studio albums where he IS sitting down and just playing it in the studio.

Randy wasn't a god! WTF?

Which solos are you referring to?

Randy said himself that he hated doing the EVH tapping stuff, but he had to to "compete"...but for all his neoclassical leanings, he never really "broke the mold" like Yngwie did, and maybe that's an unfair comment to make given that he died so young, but how old was Malmsteen when he landed in America...19 ? And his style was fully developed. I like Randy, but I'll NEVER be a fanboi of his.

I forget the solo in particular, but Curt Mitchell points it out on his Randy Rhoads instructional video that he messes up the timing and makes a mess of it...and they kept it on there for eternity...was that a record company budget constraint or an Ozzy "it's good enough" deal ? It's a climb up the neck...maybe "I Don't Know"...I can't remember.

Love Zakk's live I Don't Know solo here!

 

[Badronald]

Even Randy wasn't a God...he makes a mess of the triple tracked solos in a few places on the studio albums where he IS sitting down and just playing it in the studio.

Randy wasn't a god! WTF?

Which solos are you referring to?

Randy said himself that he hated doing the EVH tapping stuff, but he had to to "compete"...but for all his neoclassical leanings, he never really "broke the mold" like Yngwie did, and maybe that's an unfair comment to make given that he died so young, but how old was Malmsteen when he landed in America...19 ? And his style was fully developed. I like Randy, but I'll NEVER be a fanboi of his.

I forget the solo in particular, but Curt Mitchell points it out on his Randy Rhoads instructional video that he messes up the timing and makes a mess of it...and they kept it on there for eternity...was that a record company budget constraint or an Ozzy "it's good enough" deal ? It's a climb up the neck...maybe "I Don't Know"...I can't remember.

Love Zakk's live I Don't Know solo here!

People can bash him all they want but he was a great rock guitar player back then.

 

[paulyc]

Was is the operative word in that last sentence.

 

[paulyc]

And to be honest, I've seen plenty of guys who can parrot another player to a "T", but what of Zakk's own creation matches up to Randy OR Jake ? (I'm talking solos here, not riffs for tunes, where he's arguably the best of the three) ?