Japan - too serious not to be a thread on the main forum.

[Code001]

They should build the next nuclear power plant in your backyard then.

There are two in my back yard, actually. They're great places to fish around. Manatees love them because of the warmer water, and they help save their lives during the colder temps. Of course, it helps there's basically zero chance of an earthquake down here in FL, too.

 

[duesentrieb]

I'm more the tampon guy - for several reasons.

 

[Code001]

I'm more the tampon guy - for several reasons.

Pads here. It's a pain when the string breaks.

 

[boof]

taken from Tokyo this morning when reactor 2 lost it.

link is here
http://park18.wakwak.com/~weather/geiger_index.html

anyone know where I can get rad stickers that will ship internationally?

 

[Code001]

100 CPM = 1 microsievert. A flight across the US exposes you to about 4 microsievert per hour. Honestly, I wouldn't be worried that much if I lived in Tokyo.

 

[boof]

100 CPM = 1 microsievert. A flight across the US exposes you to about 4 microsievert per hour. Honestly, I wouldn't be worried that much if I lived in Tokyo.

that was my take on it as well. but i still would like to have some rad stickers around...

this article makes for a good read as well
http://wormme.com/2011/03/12/incalcuable-danger/

 

[Code001]

this article makes for a good read as well
http://wormme.com/2011/03/12/incalcuable-danger/

その壁紙は何なんだ？！ キモッ！

eBay has some for phones, PDAs, laptops, etc. If you buy enough, you can stick them all over your body. Almost all of them are made in China, so I'm sure they're of high quality.

 

[boof]

yeah that was my first impression as well. I thought about sending it around to people at work then thought I might be better just to copy and paste it.

 

[JTyson]

TAMPONS! GET YA TAMPONS! Let's sop up some of the menstrual blood and hope for the best! There are smarter people than ALL of us working to take care of this situation. Those two articles posted above that stratotone posted were pretty promising. If you're all so concerned with the matter, get off your asses and go make some waves (no pun intended) - stop doing the AMERICAN thing of jumping on a forum and running your fat flaps. I'm here for disgusting guitar tones and learning about new gear. You're not doing a public service by polluting the forum with this news, we get enough of it from ALL other media outlets. All I know is when shit does goes down, I'm putting on my most comfortable shorts and flip flops, walking out into the beautiful NH woods, and watching the world go to hell. Know why? I don't give a fuck. Bring it. I'm a lazy American all happy and ignorant just like all of you...difference is, I've come to terms hahahaha

speak for yourself

 

[duesentrieb]

100 CPM = 1 microsievert. A flight across the US exposes you to about 4 microsievert per hour. Honestly, I wouldn't be worried that much if I lived in Tokyo.

Yeah, but you hardly will incorporate something - except your neighbour's parfum

Also the CPM--> Sievert conversion works well, if the isotopes are known and their biological factor is brought into the equation (if I remember correctly, I was fitter in '86 with all this stuff . . .)

I wouldn't be scared in Tokyo either atm though

 

[Everyonesdarling]

100 CPM = 1 microsievert. A flight across the US exposes you to about 4 microsievert per hour. Honestly, I wouldn't be worried that much if I lived in Tokyo.

Not that i am an expert but at the news today they said the following: The measured radiation at the plant was 400mSievert/hour. Where i come from they say one should not be exposed to more than 1mSv/year.
So for all of you guys who think that 400MSv/hour is not really much?

 

[duesentrieb]

Those in euroland working in hazardous/radiation teams, engineers in nuclear plants and such are allowed to get a dose of 250mSv once in a lifetime.
Yeah, 0.4 Sv/h is a lot. But keep in mind that it was close to the reactor and that the radiation is already decreasing (was probably caused by the fire of the worn rods stockhouse).

 

[MississippiMetal]

Japan is going to lie to keep the people there from rioting. If people think that the radiation is inevitable and that the reactors are going to meltdown, they will:

1) Fend for themselves
2) Stop working, thus destroying the Japanese economy
3) Act violently and unpredictably
4) Stop working towards (and putting themselves in harm's way) trying to combat the failing reactors

Let's just say that things are worse than they have officially stated. What would be gained from them leveling with people and giving them such bleak news? Nothing would be accomplished and people will riot. Look at what happened during the Rodney King beatings. When the cops in LA were adquitted of their actions, minorities lost faith in the government and went balistic, fending for themselves. The same happened in the United States in Massachusetts after the Revolutionary War, when many people and states were poor. The Confederation did not have the power to make the sweeping changes that were necessary and people freaked -- then came the Constitution and the Federal government that we are all so familiar with. Japan is an isolated island, and the people there cannot escape. There is little reason to come clean if it means that there is little hope that things will truly be okay and casualty free. People are going to be sick for years in Japan. This is the biggest disaster we've seen since World War II. This thing just dwarfs 9/11.

Just look at all of the conflicting information that is out there. The Japanese government states that the explosion occured from the build up of hydrogen, while the International Nuclear Agency/Commission states that it could have only occured as a result of a core meltdown.

The Japanese are far too polite to riot.

 

[67Mopar]

I work with someone who's father is an executive who knows the nucear power reactor. He said that they are following the typical procedures for this type of event. If Japan is honest in it's assessment, then a nuclear disaster will bd avoided. If Japan lies to save face, they may not have the time to avoid a major disaster. He also said reactors can only withstand 7.9 scale earth quakes.

With that said, let's all pray for the people there.

Not true Dave... Indian Point is only 15mi from my House It's across the Hudson River, and it was only built to withstand a 3.0 Earthquake.

Now they find that it's on 2 adjoining fault lines, and a 7.0 is possible there... JUST GREAT!

Also for those of you suggesting that the Japanese people would Riot, I think not.

They are remaining Polite, and calm... Their culture is quite different from ours... We should be so well behaved... Supermarkets are lowering prices! Vending companies are handing out free drinks, and people are smiling and going about there business as if it were and ordinary day... Getting dressed in suits, and going to work. Others waiting on insanely long lines calmly without so much as a scuffle...

These are extremely refined people... We should all take a lesson including those bickering on this Thread.

R RAGE

Agreed, after the Katrina incident, and seeing what happened there, people here could definately take some notes on how to help each other in a time of crisis, not steal from each other and from buisnesses who were not there to stop them, shooting at the very people who were trying to help, and taking advantage of every last thing they could while they had the opportunity to do so
It was a pathetic and sad display. I have never felt the same about NO since then, and never been back
Thankfully, its not like that everywhere, there are still places here where people help one another, I live in one of those places, and am very thankful to be here

Don't you mean "African Americans here could definately take some notes..." ?

 

[JTyson]

I work with someone who's father is an executive who knows the nucear power reactor. He said that they are following the typical procedures for this type of event. If Japan is honest in it's assessment, then a nuclear disaster will bd avoided. If Japan lies to save face, they may not have the time to avoid a major disaster. He also said reactors can only withstand 7.9 scale earth quakes.

With that said, let's all pray for the people there.

Not true Dave... Indian Point is only 15mi from my House It's across the Hudson River, and it was only built to withstand a 3.0 Earthquake.

Now they find that it's on 2 adjoining fault lines, and a 7.0 is possible there... JUST GREAT!

Also for those of you suggesting that the Japanese people would Riot, I think not.

They are remaining Polite, and calm... Their culture is quite different from ours... We should be so well behaved... Supermarkets are lowering prices! Vending companies are handing out free drinks, and people are smiling and going about there business as if it were and ordinary day... Getting dressed in suits, and going to work. Others waiting on insanely long lines calmly without so much as a scuffle...

These are extremely refined people... We should all take a lesson including those bickering on this Thread.

R RAGE

Agreed, after the Katrina incident, and seeing what happened there, people here could definately take some notes on how to help each other in a time of crisis, not steal from each other and from buisnesses who were not there to stop them, shooting at the very people who were trying to help, and taking advantage of every last thing they could while they had the opportunity to do so
It was a pathetic and sad display. I have never felt the same about NO since then, and never been back
Thankfully, its not like that everywhere, there are still places here where people help one another, I live in one of those places, and am very thankful to be here

Don't you mean "African Americans here could definately take some notes..." ?

I mean anyone who fits into said catagory.. Whoever was stealing, shooting at rescue personel, and taking advantage of those in a less fortunate situation. Whatever color they happen to be. Worthless POS people are all colors as far as I know
Next time they should be shot on site

 

[67Mopar]

I work with someone who's father is an executive who knows the nucear power reactor. He said that they are following the typical procedures for this type of event. If Japan is honest in it's assessment, then a nuclear disaster will bd avoided. If Japan lies to save face, they may not have the time to avoid a major disaster. He also said reactors can only withstand 7.9 scale earth quakes.

With that said, let's all pray for the people there.

Not true Dave... Indian Point is only 15mi from my House It's across the Hudson River, and it was only built to withstand a 3.0 Earthquake.

Now they find that it's on 2 adjoining fault lines, and a 7.0 is possible there... JUST GREAT!

Also for those of you suggesting that the Japanese people would Riot, I think not.

They are remaining Polite, and calm... Their culture is quite different from ours... We should be so well behaved... Supermarkets are lowering prices! Vending companies are handing out free drinks, and people are smiling and going about there business as if it were and ordinary day... Getting dressed in suits, and going to work. Others waiting on insanely long lines calmly without so much as a scuffle...

These are extremely refined people... We should all take a lesson including those bickering on this Thread.

R RAGE

Agreed, after the Katrina incident, and seeing what happened there, people here could definately take some notes on how to help each other in a time of crisis, not steal from each other and from buisnesses who were not there to stop them, shooting at the very people who were trying to help, and taking advantage of every last thing they could while they had the opportunity to do so
It was a pathetic and sad display. I have never felt the same about NO since then, and never been back
Thankfully, its not like that everywhere, there are still places here where people help one another, I live in one of those places, and am very thankful to be here

Don't you mean "African Americans here could definately take some notes..." ?

I mean anyone who fits into said catagory.. Whoever was stealing, shooting at rescue personel, and taking advantage of those in a less fortunate situation. Whatever color they happen to be. Worthless POS people are all colors as far as I know
Next time they should be shot on site

I'm sorry, I was thinking of the L.A. riots... My bad!

 

[harddriver]

I was a level II quality control inspector for 10 years in the US nuclear industry relating to piping, welds, pumps, reactor vessel and saftey system integrity. The safety of Nuclear Reactors depends on all of the piping and safety systems remaining intact as well and getting backup power from the Diesel Generators to run all of the saftey systems like the Residual Heat Removal Heat Exchangers of which each unit has two of located in the reactor/aux building(not primary contaiment) that contiune to remove thernal heat from the reactor core after the unit is shut down ie: control rods inserted stopping the fission process. But the core and reactor remain thermally hot, if the plant loses the ability to recirculate the reactor cooling water and lose the water level covering the fuel rods the fuel bundles will continue to get hotter thus flashing any water off as steam producing the steam bubbles and hyrdogen explosions as we have seen when they were using sea water to try to cool the units core. If they cannot keep water level over the core the fuel bundle will be damaged beyond being able to control the heat thus melting. The problem is it's all theory and conjecture as to what will happen at this point, Cheryobal was the worst incident followed by Three Mile Island where they had a partial meltdown and deformed the reactor core from the heat in two hours but the saftey systems were intact there, ie Core Spray, RCIC, LPCI, RHR and the Suppression Pool.

From what I gather they are non longer intact here at the Fukushima units in crisis, those Residual Heat Removal Heat Exchangers I spoke of probably were ripped out of the reactor/aux building from those explosions thus shearing the piping that connect to the reactor breaching the closed loop systems for the cooling water as well as a mulititude of safety systems which is why they are using sea water. Which is also why all the water keeps leaking out and exposing the fuel rods to the atmosphere as they cannot keep the reactor full, the fuel core was never to be exposed to the atmosphere. NOT GOOD!

After reviewing the satellite images of the site even after the earthquake the tsunami flood water did not seem to have afftected the Fukushima site much at all if you look at them there should be standing water and building damage everywhere and there is not, they have huge breakwaters built out from the as I can see in the image, which is why the said the Diesel Generators stopped working from being flooded. My theory is at this point I believe the reactors pipng and safety systems were damaged beyond repair from the 9.0 quake and the cooling systems cannot and will not work if the piping pumps and valves are not working, as they cannot even monitor the reactors from the control rooms at the worst units because of radiation levels and the monitoring and control instrumentation may not even be functioning at this point. They probably have no access to the reactors when the reactor/aux building blew out destroying stairs, floors access points that they normally would have.

50 operators cannot babysit and control 6 nuclear reactors that are damged like this, it is a suicide mission much like Chernyobl at this point, if it wasn't a lost cause they would have kept more staff onsite to control the idle reactors in my opinion. I have spoken to friends still in the industry and they believe the second explosion that went straight up and higher that the first one could have been the reactor head blowing off going through the primary containment structure exposing the fuel bundles and the full fuel core of that unit. It seems only a miracle can keep the cores cool at this point. Add to that they also seems to be losing water levels in the spent fuel storage pools adjacent to the reactor cavity.

Sorry for the dire information here gentlemen, I believe TEP has been less that truthful over this whole situation to the Japanese government and the world. I am fearful they have lost any control of these reactors at this point and the control was lost very early on right after the earthquake. Only time will tell what will happen next, all worst case scenarios have played out beyond what any engineer could forsee that designed these plants 40 years ago.

Hopefully I am wrong in my assessment of this situation.

My heart goes out to the people of Japan.

 

[stephen sawall]

Thank you harddriver .... for your perspective.

 

[duesentrieb]

Yes, thanks for your post.

 

[JTyson]

+3
Jeesh, earthquakes, tsunami's, nuclear meltdowns and now the possibility of snow
How much can these poor people take??