Just missed a MKIIC for 999......

[Racerxrated]

Guitar Center.com can be a great source. I always seem to check it out every few days or so...today I checked under Mesa and saw a MKIIC combo, wood and wicker in clean shape, no eq...999. I called and of course it was already gone.... Someone got a steal! They didn't know if it was a + or not....still. I know those aren't worth as much as a head or with the GEQ...but still.....

 

[Chris6870]

I saw that yesterday morning when it first showed up. They had it listed as a IIC+ conversion. I thought about it but it had no eq and not sure if it was simul class.

 

[Markedman]

Non GEQ C+"s sell for around $1,000 regularly, I watch the market every day.

 

[Pink Freud]

As someone who has had and sold numerous IIC+, there's a lot of misinformation in this thread....

First, that particular one was purchased and returned. It was initially sold from NC about 1.5/2 weeks, and now it was returned. Draw your own conclusions. Btw, same day that it was sold, a new poster popped up on the Boogie Board describing the same exact amp, noted it was sold as a IIC+ conversion, wasn't a IIC+, then noted it had issues and returned it. The only difference - he claimed he paid about $1400.00 (which I guess could be true if you factor shipping and tax). Regardless, I don't think you missed out too badly.

Second, heads aren't more expensive or more sought after than combos. In fact, I think its the opposite. You can always order a head-shell from GTS or Mesa for pretty low cost and sell the speaker from your combo, etc. Further, this particular amp had the woodshell, which is a premium that drives the price up (not down). To not buy a IIC+ because its a combo is ridiculous.

Third, if you let the lack of the EQ dissuade you from purchasing a IIC+, you are crazy. The Non-EQs sound better. Specifically, the Non-EQs sound better with an EQ in the FX loop than the models with the onboard, particularly if you use at least the Mesa pedal (not even close with better rack gear). Before someone starts with the small difference in placement in the chain (which makes a nominal difference as it is, and not necessarily in terms of tone shaping), you can always run the EQ (if buffered correctly) between the pre/out and power/in. That said, you need to run some sort of EQ on these amps, no doubt about that.

As to price, I'd like to be in the same market as Markedman, but I haven't seen anything under a $1000 other than that ragged barebones IIC (not IIC+) on Ebay awhile back. From what I've seen, barbone non-converted IICs generally go for about $1000-1250. Think I'm wrong, great - send me a link, got cash in hand.

Finally, the whole Simul v. 100/60 v. 60 - none is better than the other in an absolute sense, it largely depends on what you want/need. More of a modern metal rhythm player - tough to beat the blurriness of the Simul, which give you the impression of a thicker more modern sound. Want a more percussive/abrasive rhythm tone - the 100/60 is the one for you. More of a lead guitarist - the 60W has the best single note tone and has a clean channel better than the rest. Btw, if you really want the Simul vibe, all you have to do is reduce the presence and/or plug in a slight speaker mismatch - it gets you quite close.

 

[Chris6870]

Thanks for signing up and setting us all straight with your first post. Wheres the misinformation? Your opinion is non eq/simulclass sound as good or better,the fact is they sell for less.

 

[Guitarnobody]

If you think the non EQ Mark IIC+ sounds better than the GEQ models more power to you. I wouldn't even think of owning one without EQ. Even sticking a Boogie EQ in the loop doesn't get you near the GEQ models. There was a 2C+ non EQ on TGP for under $1,000 last year and it sat for weeks. Of course I know this because I search for old Mesa Boogie Mark series amplifiers on a daily basis since like 2006. I've seen a lot of good stuff lately. Just last week i know of someone buying a new mint 2C+ Loaded without reverb for $2k. I should have bought it, but I passed the deal on to my friend since he wanted one and I already have a few.

 

[Racerxrated]

Non GEQ C+"s sell for around $1,000 regularly, I watch the market every day.

I don't eBay anymore, so keep that in mind...but when I see one for sale on Craigslist or GC or here/other forums thats all I can go by. I've never seen one that low...there was one on GC a while back for 1300, they had it mislabeled. But it was a beat combo with the right faceplate. The others I see are priced more around 2k. Then the heads...they seem to start around 2k and go crazy from there depending on options. Either way that combo was pretty clean and wood/wicker alone, a Mark II for 1k is a good deal in that condition...I think?? Not a Mesa expert by any means..but then a 2C+?? I don't care if it was sent back to Mesa...I would have picked it up and then ordered a Mesa EQ pedal and gave it a shot. Dude, if you can hook me up with one without GEQ for a grand let me know. I will do it.

 

[Racerxrated]

As someone who has had and sold numerous IIC+, there's a lot of misinformation in this thread....

First, that particular one was purchased and returned. It was initially sold from NC about 1.5/2 weeks, and now it was returned. Draw your own conclusions. Btw, same day that it was sold, a new poster popped up on the Boogie Board describing the same exact amp, noted it was sold as a IIC+ conversion, wasn't a IIC+, then noted it had issues and returned it. The only difference - he claimed he paid about $1400.00 (which I guess could be true if you factor shipping and tax). Regardless, I don't think you missed out too badly.

Second, heads aren't more expensive or more sought after than combos. In fact, I think its the opposite. You can always order a head-shell from GTS or Mesa for pretty low cost and sell the speaker from your combo, etc. Further, this particular amp had the woodshell, which is a premium that drives the price up (not down). To not buy a IIC+ because its a combo is ridiculous.

Third, if you let the lack of the EQ dissuade you from purchasing a IIC+, you are crazy. The Non-EQs sound better. Specifically, the Non-EQs sound better with an EQ in the FX loop than the models with the onboard, particularly if you use at least the Mesa pedal (not even close with better rack gear). Before someone starts with the small difference in placement in the chain (which makes a nominal difference as it is, and not necessarily in terms of tone shaping), you can always run the EQ (if buffered correctly) between the pre/out and power/in. That said, you need to run some sort of EQ on these amps, no doubt about that.

As to price, I'd like to be in the same market as Markedman, but I haven't seen anything under a $1000 other than that ragged barebones IIC (not IIC+) on Ebay awhile back. From what I've seen, barbone non-converted IICs generally go for about $1000-1250. Think I'm wrong, great - send me a link, got cash in hand.

Finally, the whole Simul v. 100/60 v. 60 - none is better than the other in an absolute sense, it largely depends on what you want/need. More of a modern metal rhythm player - tough to beat the blurriness of the Simul, which give you the impression of a thicker more modern sound. Want a more percussive/abrasive rhythm tone - the 100/60 is the one for you. More of a lead guitarist - the 60W has the best single note tone and has a clean channel better than the rest. Btw, if you really want the Simul vibe, all you have to do is reduce the presence and/or plug in a slight speaker mismatch - it gets you quite close.

Well maybe if it has issues it might come back. I'd still be tempted to buy it and send it out to Mesa or a certified tech to get it sorted. Just one of those bucket list amps....I'll never afford a loaded simulclass head in the near future so.....

 

[Pink Freud]

If you think the non EQ Mark IIC+ sounds better than the GEQ models more power to you. I wouldn't even think of owning one without EQ. Even sticking a Boogie EQ in the loop doesn't get you near the GEQ models. There was a 2C+ non EQ on TGP for under $1,000 last year and it sat for weeks. Of course I know this because I search for old Mesa Boogie Mark series amplifiers on a daily basis since like 2006. I've seen a lot of good stuff lately. Just last week i know of someone buying a new mint 2C+ Loaded without reverb for $2k. I should have bought it, but I passed the deal on to my friend since he wanted one and I already have a few.

Ok, Psychodave, if you say so.... You constantly post this same "point", well, at least until you get banned or called out and disproven. You're right in a sense though, a IIC+ w/ a GEQ in the loop doesn't quite have that same transistory tone that the onboard models have. But I guess if you have to have that Metallica tone...

By the way, that amp on TGP was a converted IIC that had been otherwise modded and was in pretty piss poor condition. Converted IIC+s are never going to have the same value or collectability. Also, post the link to the $2,000 loaded IIC+ - I monitor IIC+s on a daily basis and there was no deal like that anywhere on the web. For $2,000-2,250.00 - you're looking at a 60W; for $2,500-2,750 a 60W w/ EQ; for $3000-3,250.00 a Simul; for $3500+ Simul & EQ. That's just the way the pricing is now, unless you have found someone who is selling something they don't quite know much about or need cash pronto.


Again, a lot of BS when it comes to these amps.

 

[Pink Freud]

As someone who has had and sold numerous IIC+, there's a lot of misinformation in this thread....

First, that particular one was purchased and returned. It was initially sold from NC about 1.5/2 weeks, and now it was returned. Draw your own conclusions. Btw, same day that it was sold, a new poster popped up on the Boogie Board describing the same exact amp, noted it was sold as a IIC+ conversion, wasn't a IIC+, then noted it had issues and returned it. The only difference - he claimed he paid about $1400.00 (which I guess could be true if you factor shipping and tax). Regardless, I don't think you missed out too badly.

Second, heads aren't more expensive or more sought after than combos. In fact, I think its the opposite. You can always order a head-shell from GTS or Mesa for pretty low cost and sell the speaker from your combo, etc. Further, this particular amp had the woodshell, which is a premium that drives the price up (not down). To not buy a IIC+ because its a combo is ridiculous.

Third, if you let the lack of the EQ dissuade you from purchasing a IIC+, you are crazy. The Non-EQs sound better. Specifically, the Non-EQs sound better with an EQ in the FX loop than the models with the onboard, particularly if you use at least the Mesa pedal (not even close with better rack gear). Before someone starts with the small difference in placement in the chain (which makes a nominal difference as it is, and not necessarily in terms of tone shaping), you can always run the EQ (if buffered correctly) between the pre/out and power/in. That said, you need to run some sort of EQ on these amps, no doubt about that.

As to price, I'd like to be in the same market as Markedman, but I haven't seen anything under a $1000 other than that ragged barebones IIC (not IIC+) on Ebay awhile back. From what I've seen, barbone non-converted IICs generally go for about $1000-1250. Think I'm wrong, great - send me a link, got cash in hand.

Finally, the whole Simul v. 100/60 v. 60 - none is better than the other in an absolute sense, it largely depends on what you want/need. More of a modern metal rhythm player - tough to beat the blurriness of the Simul, which give you the impression of a thicker more modern sound. Want a more percussive/abrasive rhythm tone - the 100/60 is the one for you. More of a lead guitarist - the 60W has the best single note tone and has a clean channel better than the rest. Btw, if you really want the Simul vibe, all you have to do is reduce the presence and/or plug in a slight speaker mismatch - it gets you quite close.

Well maybe if it has issues it might come back. I'd still be tempted to buy it and send it out to Mesa or a certified tech to get it sorted. Just one of those bucket list amps....I'll never afford a loaded simulclass head in the near future so.....

Mike can fix anything, and I wouldn't hesitate sending it to him. But, you gotta factor tax and shipping, and there are other (goods) deals out there (especially for originals). Again, don't let some others dissuade you, even a barebones IIC+ is a phenonemal amp that can take you wherever you want to go (with some outboard gear).

 

[Pink Freud]

Thanks for signing up and setting us all straight with your first post. Wheres the misinformation? Your opinion is non eq/simulclass sound as good or better,the fact is they sell for less.

You're right, stick to the Simul/GEQ models and the leave the rest to us.

 

[Racerxrated]

As someone who has had and sold numerous IIC+, there's a lot of misinformation in this thread....

First, that particular one was purchased and returned. It was initially sold from NC about 1.5/2 weeks, and now it was returned. Draw your own conclusions. Btw, same day that it was sold, a new poster popped up on the Boogie Board describing the same exact amp, noted it was sold as a IIC+ conversion, wasn't a IIC+, then noted it had issues and returned it. The only difference - he claimed he paid about $1400.00 (which I guess could be true if you factor shipping and tax). Regardless, I don't think you missed out too badly.

Second, heads aren't more expensive or more sought after than combos. In fact, I think its the opposite. You can always order a head-shell from GTS or Mesa for pretty low cost and sell the speaker from your combo, etc. Further, this particular amp had the woodshell, which is a premium that drives the price up (not down). To not buy a IIC+ because its a combo is ridiculous.

Third, if you let the lack of the EQ dissuade you from purchasing a IIC+, you are crazy. The Non-EQs sound better. Specifically, the Non-EQs sound better with an EQ in the FX loop than the models with the onboard, particularly if you use at least the Mesa pedal (not even close with better rack gear). Before someone starts with the small difference in placement in the chain (which makes a nominal difference as it is, and not necessarily in terms of tone shaping), you can always run the EQ (if buffered correctly) between the pre/out and power/in. That said, you need to run some sort of EQ on these amps, no doubt about that.

As to price, I'd like to be in the same market as Markedman, but I haven't seen anything under a $1000 other than that ragged barebones IIC (not IIC+) on Ebay awhile back. From what I've seen, barbone non-converted IICs generally go for about $1000-1250. Think I'm wrong, great - send me a link, got cash in hand.

Finally, the whole Simul v. 100/60 v. 60 - none is better than the other in an absolute sense, it largely depends on what you want/need. More of a modern metal rhythm player - tough to beat the blurriness of the Simul, which give you the impression of a thicker more modern sound. Want a more percussive/abrasive rhythm tone - the 100/60 is the one for you. More of a lead guitarist - the 60W has the best single note tone and has a clean channel better than the rest. Btw, if you really want the Simul vibe, all you have to do is reduce the presence and/or plug in a slight speaker mismatch - it gets you quite close.

Well maybe if it has issues it might come back. I'd still be tempted to buy it and send it out to Mesa or a certified tech to get it sorted. Just one of those bucket list amps....I'll never afford a loaded simulclass head in the near future so.....

Mike can fix anything, and I wouldn't hesitate sending it to him. But, you gotta factor tax and shipping, and there are other (goods) deals out there (especially for originals). Again, don't let some others dissuade you, even a barebones IIC+ is a phenonemal amp that can take you wherever you want to go (with some outboard gear).

For sure. I was wavering on the one GC had in Florida in a lot worse shape for 1300 a few months ago....I will grab this if it does come back in a few weeks. I had a MK III and I liked it....love to try a 2C in any form for 1K...

 

[Pink Freud]

As someone who has had and sold numerous IIC+, there's a lot of misinformation in this thread....

First, that particular one was purchased and returned. It was initially sold from NC about 1.5/2 weeks, and now it was returned. Draw your own conclusions. Btw, same day that it was sold, a new poster popped up on the Boogie Board describing the same exact amp, noted it was sold as a IIC+ conversion, wasn't a IIC+, then noted it had issues and returned it. The only difference - he claimed he paid about $1400.00 (which I guess could be true if you factor shipping and tax). Regardless, I don't think you missed out too badly.

Second, heads aren't more expensive or more sought after than combos. In fact, I think its the opposite. You can always order a head-shell from GTS or Mesa for pretty low cost and sell the speaker from your combo, etc. Further, this particular amp had the woodshell, which is a premium that drives the price up (not down). To not buy a IIC+ because its a combo is ridiculous.

Third, if you let the lack of the EQ dissuade you from purchasing a IIC+, you are crazy. The Non-EQs sound better. Specifically, the Non-EQs sound better with an EQ in the FX loop than the models with the onboard, particularly if you use at least the Mesa pedal (not even close with better rack gear). Before someone starts with the small difference in placement in the chain (which makes a nominal difference as it is, and not necessarily in terms of tone shaping), you can always run the EQ (if buffered correctly) between the pre/out and power/in. That said, you need to run some sort of EQ on these amps, no doubt about that.

As to price, I'd like to be in the same market as Markedman, but I haven't seen anything under a $1000 other than that ragged barebones IIC (not IIC+) on Ebay awhile back. From what I've seen, barbone non-converted IICs generally go for about $1000-1250. Think I'm wrong, great - send me a link, got cash in hand.

Finally, the whole Simul v. 100/60 v. 60 - none is better than the other in an absolute sense, it largely depends on what you want/need. More of a modern metal rhythm player - tough to beat the blurriness of the Simul, which give you the impression of a thicker more modern sound. Want a more percussive/abrasive rhythm tone - the 100/60 is the one for you. More of a lead guitarist - the 60W has the best single note tone and has a clean channel better than the rest. Btw, if you really want the Simul vibe, all you have to do is reduce the presence and/or plug in a slight speaker mismatch - it gets you quite close.

Well maybe if it has issues it might come back. I'd still be tempted to buy it and send it out to Mesa or a certified tech to get it sorted. Just one of those bucket list amps....I'll never afford a loaded simulclass head in the near future so.....

Mike can fix anything, and I wouldn't hesitate sending it to him. But, you gotta factor tax and shipping, and there are other (goods) deals out there (especially for originals). Again, don't let some others dissuade you, even a barebones IIC+ is a phenonemal amp that can take you wherever you want to go (with some outboard gear).

For sure. I was wavering on the one GC had in Florida in a lot worse shape for 1300 a few months ago....I will grab this if it does come back in a few weeks. I had a MK III and I liked it....love to try a 2C in any form for 1K...

I would seriously think about it. That cab alone would get you at least $500 if you ever sold it. Again, a barebones IIC+ sounds amazing and - in ways - better than a loaded IIC+. In other ways, it doesn't. Regardless, I'd take a barebones IIC+ against any other amp.

But what do I know, I just have three IIC+ (including an DRGX) with me now.

 

[Guitarnobody]

Pink Freud... Are you Crimson King on the boogie board?

 

[Pink Freud]

Pink Freud... Are you Crimson King on the boogie board?

Hardly, Pyschodave, but I see you were trying to pass off the same nonsense there. By the way, weren't you banned from Rigtalk?

 

[Guitarnobody]

Pink Freud... Are you Crimson King on the boogie board?

Hardly, Pyschodave, but I see you were trying to pass off the same nonsense there. By the way, weren't you banned from Rigtalk?

I see you are just another incorrect know it all...

 

[Racerxrated]

Here's a today price check....MKIIC+, sent to Mesa for conversion...combo, no eq but simul/reverb white tolex in OK condition. Mpls Craigslist.. 1800. Too much for me, but that's what I tend to see around here.

 

[Markedman]

http://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/msg/5044767151.html
This guy has been trying to sell this C+ for years. I thought I'd buy it but he kept changing the sale date, so after two weeks I looked around and found a 60 watt head (ser. # 13,5xx) with reverb and GEQ for $2000.00. I think the IIB C+ would sound nuts good. I called MESA about it and at first they said there were no IIB C+ Marks, then I gave them the ser. # and they said, "yes, it is a C+ conversion." I'd buy it if I had the cash and didn't worry about selling it, obviously it is not very desirable as it has been for sale for so long. https://www.flickr.com/photos/100168049@N04/16503291309/in/datetaken/

 

[tfridgen]

Pink Freud... Are you Crimson King on the boogie board?

Hardly, Pyschodave, but I see you were trying to pass off the same nonsense there. By the way, weren't you banned from Rigtalk?

Ummm...sure you're not Crimson King ? Maybe Lark's Tongue?

 

[thiswaythatway]

I bought a LOADED IIC+ from Guitar Center just a few years ago. I saw it online in their used section, I could tell it was a IIC+ from the front panel. Sure enought it was a IIC+ and I got it for $1100. To be honest.....it didn't sound that great. I put it up against a boosted Electra Dyne and the Dyne wiped the floor with it, yes I was surprised. Egh, I sold it for $2700. The guy I sold it to............he just sold it for $4600

It's one of those Hetfield one's with a pull out on the mid knob. So some guy out there thought he bought the Holy Grail IIC+ for $4600!!! EGh, there was nothing special about it. I had a 60 watt non-simul that sounded better.