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[EchelonEngineering]

echelon, email me dimag333@gmail.com I could not see what $100 pedal you are talking about

Steve: I believe he was stating that his pedal is $100 less than the cost of the Boiling Point, which is $369. I saw his pedal on his website, but didn't see any video or audio information detailing what the pedal can do.

Goose, if you check our website out, you can find the videos under the "videos" section. Pick one, and click on the button, it will take you to that video.

 

[EchelonEngineering]

Search youtube on your phone for echelon engineering. All of our videos can be played on a smart phone.

 

[Pickup]

He said $100 less. Rockbox 350 EE 269 I cant see it but each to his own.

 

[EchelonEngineering]

He said $100 less. Rockbox 350 EE 269 I cant see it but each to his own.

Rockbox Boiling point is $369.

 

[droptrd]

He said $100 less. Rockbox 350 EE 269 I cant see it but each to his own.

Rockbox Boiling point is $369.

If I could ask you a question, and I mean no disrespect so please forgive me for putting you on the spot, but how does your pedal differ than the RockBox @ 369 and the Paul C Timmy @ 129? Please know I am not stating you are over charging or anything like that. I am just curious as to what you get for your money. What, in your opinion sets the price of the pedal? This has been a popular topic here lately.

 

[SFW]

I modded my TS-9 years ago, and have never felt the need to spend absurd amounts of money for an overdrive.

I took out the bass roll off, made the pedal more transparent and added gain for less than $10 in parts. All it took was an iron and 15 minutes.

 

[Gooseman]

He said $100 less. Rockbox 350 EE 269 I cant see it but each to his own.

Rockbox Boiling point is $369.

If I could ask you a question, and I mean no disrespect so please forgive me for putting you on the spot, but how does your pedal differ than the RockBox @ 369 and the Paul C Timmy @ 129? Please know I am not stating you are over charging or anything like that. I am just curious as to what you get for your money. What, in your opinion sets the price of the pedal? This has been a popular topic here lately.

Excellent question! I am curious myself? More specifically, what differences would make your pedal $100 less (if you know enough about Rockbox's business to even comment. Let's focus solely on the pedals themselves and labor, and not externalities such as shipping costs)? Also, what are the differences that justify your pedal to be $100 more than say a Fulltone OCD?

Thanks for your advice thus far Echelon. I like what I hear for sure!

 

[droptrd]

 

[steve@russo]

picked up a luther drive, see how that works

 

[droptrd]

GMD!

 

[EchelonEngineering]

He said $100 less. Rockbox 350 EE 269 I cant see it but each to his own.

Rockbox Boiling point is $369.

If I could ask you a question, and I mean no disrespect so please forgive me for putting you on the spot, but how does your pedal differ than the RockBox @ 369 and the Paul C Timmy @ 129? Please know I am not stating you are over charging or anything like that. I am just curious as to what you get for your money. What, in your opinion sets the price of the pedal? This has been a popular topic here lately.

@droptrd,

Thank you for the question! I think more of the question should be how are the pedals alike? All 3 pedals we are talking about here are built off the tubescreamer platform, again, modded to the specs and tastes of each builder. The Paul C Timmy is a great low drive pedal. Awesome tones and breaks up ever-so-sweetly. Love Paul C not only as a builder but as a super dude as well. I have been on pedal forums in which Paul C actually corrected some schemes for other dudes who were making clones for their own personal use. again, stand up guy. The Rockbox Boiling Point is another great example of a 'all in one' style overdrive. Hand made, Hand painted, you can't really go wrong. The main difference between the Imperial and Boiling point is that the B.P. has a diode lift switch to bypass the clipping diodes so the pedal can mimic a clean booster. We have a mid-boost switch which can engage the famed 'mid-hump' that is congruent with the early 808s and ts-9s. Its a nice feature to have esp when playing a little thinner sounding guitar like a Tele or Strat. The Imperial uses 3 different types of clipping devices. Silicon diodes, germanium diodes, and 5mm LEDs. That's what the other switch on the box does. It selects between the clipping devices to achieve vintage overdrive tones, clean boosted tones, or modern more 'hi-gain' tones. Some other features of the Imperial OD include high grade 1% tolerance parts, 24 gauge solid core wire, and different value drive pot to reach the higher gain territory.

Please feel free to ask any more questions!!

 

[EchelonEngineering]

I modded my TS-9 years ago, and have never felt the need to spend absurd amounts of money for an overdrive.

I took out the bass roll off, made the pedal more transparent and added gain for less than $10 in parts. All it took was an iron and 15 minutes.

That's true. however, I got tired of changing the switch because they would always take a shit....much better with a 3dpt for true bypass.

 

[EchelonEngineering]

He said $100 less. Rockbox 350 EE 269 I cant see it but each to his own.

Rockbox Boiling point is $369.

If I could ask you a question, and I mean no disrespect so please forgive me for putting you on the spot, but how does your pedal differ than the RockBox @ 369 and the Paul C Timmy @ 129? Please know I am not stating you are over charging or anything like that. I am just curious as to what you get for your money. What, in your opinion sets the price of the pedal? This has been a popular topic here lately.

Excellent question! I am curious myself? More specifically, what differences would make your pedal $100 less (if you know enough about Rockbox's business to even comment. Let's focus solely on the pedals themselves and labor, and not externalities such as shipping costs)? Also, what are the differences that justify your pedal to be $100 more than say a Fulltone OCD?

Thanks for your advice thus far Echelon. I like what I hear for sure!

@Goose,

As a struggling musican prior to building effects pedals and modding amps, I would always look for the next best thing in overdrives/distortions. Some folks are delay junkies....I am a drive junky. Love my dirt boxes mainly because they're all just a little different. So in combination with the amp's distortions, I could also supplement and broaden my sound with the dirt boxes. I have owned some of the coolest drive boxes (radial engineering, fulltone, keeley, zeek, blackstar, etc...) but would always have to psyche myself up to buy one due to price. Fast Forwarding, until recently, I would have like 5-6 drive boxes on the board to acheive all the sounds that I use. One day I thought to myself, how sweet would it be if I could have one pedal that could achieve 4-5 sounds out of the same box? And thats where it all went off....lots of r&d and late nights. And that's how I came to the price point. I myself would pay that type of money to have 4-5 different sounds in 1 box. So I figured I'd go with it.

As for the Fulltone, I have to say firstly that Mike Fuller makes great products. The OCD (v3 and v4) and FullDrive (newest one, and the red sparkle custom shop) are 2 of my favorite pedals that I have owned. As for the difference, the Imperial has a mid-boost switch along with the 3 clipping devices. I can't comment on the fulltone production, but ours is hand painted, and hand built. I installed every component on the box by hand personally. Again, they're all tubescreamer platforms modded to the tastes of each individual builder. We also offer a 7 year warranty that protects agains manufacturer's defects. Again, I strongly encourage anyone who uses pedals to try ours. There will be no disappointment.

 

[Anonymous]

Sounds like a good detailed, and honest assesment of your products!!! I would like to try one, thats for sure... does any retailers out there stock your pedals?

 

[Gooseman]

He said $100 less. Rockbox 350 EE 269 I cant see it but each to his own.

Rockbox Boiling point is $369.

If I could ask you a question, and I mean no disrespect so please forgive me for putting you on the spot, but how does your pedal differ than the RockBox @ 369 and the Paul C Timmy @ 129? Please know I am not stating you are over charging or anything like that. I am just curious as to what you get for your money. What, in your opinion sets the price of the pedal? This has been a popular topic here lately.

Excellent question! I am curious myself? More specifically, what differences would make your pedal $100 less (if you know enough about Rockbox's business to even comment. Let's focus solely on the pedals themselves and labor, and not externalities such as shipping costs)? Also, what are the differences that justify your pedal to be $100 more than say a Fulltone OCD?

Thanks for your advice thus far Echelon. I like what I hear for sure!

@Goose,

As a struggling musican prior to building effects pedals and modding amps, I would always look for the next best thing in overdrives/distortions. Some folks are delay junkies....I am a drive junky. Love my dirt boxes mainly because they're all just a little different. So in combination with the amp's distortions, I could also supplement and broaden my sound with the dirt boxes. I have owned some of the coolest drive boxes (radial engineering, fulltone, keeley, zeek, blackstar, etc...) but would always have to psyche myself up to buy one due to price. Fast Forwarding, until recently, I would have like 5-6 drive boxes on the board to acheive all the sounds that I use. One day I thought to myself, how sweet would it be if I could have one pedal that could achieve 4-5 sounds out of the same box? And thats where it all went off....lots of r&d and late nights. And that's how I came to the price point. I myself would pay that type of money to have 4-5 different sounds in 1 box. So I figured I'd go with it.

As for the Fulltone, I have to say firstly that Mike Fuller makes great products. The OCD (v3 and v4) and FullDrive (newest one, and the red sparkle custom shop) are 2 of my favorite pedals that I have owned. As for the difference, the Imperial has a mid-boost switch along with the 3 clipping devices. I can't comment on the fulltone production, but ours is hand painted, and hand built. I installed every component on the box by hand personally. Again, they're all tubescreamer platforms modded to the tastes of each individual builder. We also offer a 7 year warranty that protects agains manufacturer's defects. Again, I strongly encourage anyone who uses pedals to try ours. There will be no disappointment.

Thank you for getting back to me! You offer one hell of a warranty, that's for sure!

 

[blackba]

Goose, if you check our website out, you can find the videos under the "videos" section. Pick one, and click on the button, it will take you to that video.

Checked out a few of the videos, pedal sounds great. I noticed in the shootout that it had a clarity that most of the others didn't have. The Blackstar in the shootout was the only pedal IMO that matched up well.

Have you thought of contacting King Guitar here and getting a forum section here at Rig Talk?

Back to the Imperial, is there any benefit to running it at 18VDC? I have seen reports on the Fulltone OCD for example that some like it better with 18VDC.

Also, I find that with my variety of amps, that some drives work better with some amps than others. For example, I am generally not a fan or a standar tubescreamer through Vox amps. Have you tried the imperial through any Vox amps or Fender Tweed or Brown era amps?

 

[EchelonEngineering]

Sounds like a good detailed, and honest assesment of your products!!! I would like to try one, thats for sure... does any retailers out there stock your pedals?

@pfapin05,

We don't use retailers at this point, but I do have one ready to ship and could have it in the mail by tomorrow. If you don't like it, ship it back and I will gladly refund your money.

 

[Anonymous]

HAHA... Wish I could brother, Im however stuck in Kuwait for another 8 months!

 

[EchelonEngineering]

HAHA... Wish I could brother, Im however stuck in Kuwait for another 8 months!

Let me know when you get back to the states!

 

[EchelonEngineering]

Goose, if you check our website out, you can find the videos under the "videos" section. Pick one, and click on the button, it will take you to that video.

Checked out a few of the videos, pedal sounds great. I noticed in the shootout that it had a clarity that most of the others didn't have. The Blackstar in the shootout was the only pedal IMO that matched up well.

Have you thought of contacting King Guitar here and getting a forum section here at Rig Talk?

Back to the Imperial, is there any benefit to running it at 18VDC? I have seen reports on the Fulltone OCD for example that some like it better with 18VDC.

Also, I find that with my variety of amps, that some drives work better with some amps than others. For example, I am generally not a fan or a standar tubescreamer through Vox amps. Have you tried the imperial through any Vox amps or Fender Tweed or Brown era amps?

@blackba,

Thank you for the kind words. The blackstar IMO also is the only one that stands up to the Imperial. The nice thing about the Imperial also is that they are pretty low noise for the amount of dirt that comes out. You can stack 2 of them and its not really buzzy which is nice.

I have already contacted King Guitar about getting a section. He e-mailed me and wanted to know more info like what famous people are using our products. I explained who we were to him and explained that we are just starting out and don't have any 'famous' people using them. He hasn't gotten back to me.. I joined this forum on the recommendation of a couple dudes we know who thought the Imperial overdrive was the shit. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=86966

The only advantage to having the Imperial run at 18vdc is that it adds more clean headroom...in other words, it takes more to break up....IMO that is not exactly what I was looking for when designing....its a dirt box and i want it to break up so to me, running @ 18vdc defeats the purpose...however to each their own.

As for amps, I agree....some amps are more pedal friendly than others. The AC30 is pretty finnikey when it comes to pedals...but I have found if you spend enough time tweaking settings that it can ring out pretty nicely. I have tried the Imperial on a fender tweed clone ('57 deluxe) and it was like hearing angels sing....totally butter. I have to admit out front, that I'm partial to blackface Fender tube amps for some reason. They take pedals like a champ and they sound so nice doing it. There is just something about a Fender clean channel with reverb!! I do love Marshalls too though. Currently I like to boost my 50 watt Plexi with the Imperial. It adds that clarity to the Plexi making it crisp and clear while retaining that Marshall crunch.

Feel free to ask anymore questions you may have!!