Larry Sanger Co-founder of Wikipedia becomes a Christian

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thegame said:
I plan on uploading my consciousness
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Yes, we all know secular humanists hope to attain eternal life outside of Christ. Those methods will fail as soon as the grid goes down=not eternal.
 
VonBonfire said:
Yes, we all know secular humanists hope to attain eternal life outside of Christ. Those methods will fail as soon as the grid goes down=not eternal.
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Have you ever thought of attaining life outside of RigTalk?
 
thegame said:
Have you ever thought of attaining life outside of RigTalk?
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I have a nice place to live, a good band, guitars, wife, kids, and lots of friends. Not much to complain about. *shrugs
 
VonBonfire said:
I have a nice place to live, a good band, guitars, wife, kids, and lots of friends. Not much to complain about. *shrugs
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That doesn’t sound like the guy who posted this a few minutes ago, “Life is short and hard, you can keep it.”
 
Thumbpicker said:
So you believe that some sort of molecular soup randomly spawned single celled amoebas that eventually developed into biological supercomputers with stereophonic microphones (ears), dual 3d cameras (eyes), a touch sensitive haptics and smell receptors in some sort of entropy defying biological miracle complete with biological programming code in the DNA strands etc. All by itself just given time.
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Evolution is probabilistic and can be accurately modeled. It is not a purely “random” process.

We’ve established through myriad, reproducible experiments that this is indeed possible and even highly probably. We have established a molecular history for many of the complex organs that multicellular organisms posses (eyes, sensory) nerves. We have observed evolution, up to and including speciation, happening in real time. We have exactly zero reproducible, empirical, or experimental evidence to suggest the presence of an intelligent diety being responsible for any of this, or even existing at all.
VonBonfire said:
Life is short and hard, you can keep it. I'm more into the afterlife side of things which will be eternal.
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What makes you so certain that your particular fairy tale is the correct one, that it isn’t the Hindus who actually got it right, and that you’re not going to be reincarnated as a rock for failing to adequately worship Vishnu?
 
Cracks me up how militant anti Christian’s get… never hear any muslim or jew shit talking from them. When I read the meditations of Marcus Aurelius the first time one quote stuck with me. “A man who doesn’t believe in God will betray his country..” that’s the condensed version anyway. another wise man said “never trust a guy who has never been punched in the face…”
 
FearTheDeer said:
Evolution is probabilistic and can be accurately modeled. It is not a purely “random” process.
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Evolution is your theory but practice shows devolution is reality. Everything degrades from it's moment of conception.

FearTheDeer said:
We have exactly zero reproducible, empirical, or experimental evidence to suggest the presence of an intelligent diety being responsible for any of this, or even existing at all.
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A deity that could be proven/disproven with science tricks isn't a deity worthy of worship.

FearTheDeer said:
What makes you so certain that your particular fairy tale is the correct one, that it isn’t the Hindus who actually got it right, and that you’re not going to be reincarnated as a rock for failing to adequately worship Vishnu?
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History aligns with the life of Christ. No reputable scholar will deny his existence. You can deny he is the son of God but I have the apostles, disciples, saints, and martyrs who testify to his life, death, and resurrection.
 
FearTheDeer said:
We have exactly zero reproducible, empirical, or experimental evidence to suggest the presence of an intelligent diety being responsible for any of this, or even existing at all.
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Taking quite a bit to create AI in terms of having an intelligent creator. I suggest you ask them to stop and point out any further advances should happen on their own.

Also your points on evolution esepcially on the topic of macro evolution are far from settled (despite how you make it sound that way) and it still doesn't preclude an intelligent creator being responsible for it.
 
Thumbpicker said:
Taking quite a bit to create AI in terms of having an intelligent creator. I suggest you ask them to stop and point out any further advances should happen on their own.

Also your points on evolution esepcially on the topic of macro evolution are far from settled (despite how you make it sound that way) and it still doesn't preclude an intelligent creator being responsible for it.
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Also interesting is science/dna points to humanity having sprung from a single pair, which confirms the biblical narrative.
 
JackBootedThug said:
Cracks me up how militant anti Christian’s get… never hear any muslim or jew shit talking from them. When I read the meditations of Marcus Aurelius the first time one quote stuck with me. “A man who doesn’t believe in God will betray his country..” that’s the condensed version anyway. another wise man said “never trust a guy who has never been punched in the face…”
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Nobody brought up Islam because the article in OP isn’t about someone converting to Islam. But if it makes this space feel safer, I assure you that my feelings towards Christianity are the same as they are towards Islam - or astrology, homeopathy, human sacrifices to Quetzalcoatl, etc.
Thumbpicker said:
Taking quite a bit to create AI in terms of having an intelligent creator. I suggest you ask them to stop and point out any further advances should happen on their own.

Also your points on evolution esepcially on the topic of macro evolution are far from settled (despite how you make it sound that way) and it still doesn't preclude an intelligent creator being responsible for it.
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Computer programming is not a biological process so I’m not really sure how that applies to our discussion here.

And you’re only right only in the sense that nothing in science is ever really “settled”. Scientific knowledge, by its very nature, is probabilistic and provisional. Our understanding of the world and universe is constantly in flux as new shit comes to light, man.

But biological evolution from a single called common ancestor to multicellular life is absolutely accepted as the unifying theory of biology by the relevant scientific community.

Direction if this process by an intelligent being is unnecessary, non-parsimonious, and therefore illogical.
 
FearTheDeer said:
Nobody brought up Islam because the article in OP isn’t about someone converting to Islam. But if it makes this space feel safer, I assure you that my feelings towards Christianity are the same as they are towards Islam - or astrology, homeopathy, human sacrifices to Quetzalcoatl, etc.

Computer programming is not a biological process so I’m not really sure how that applies to our discussion here.

And you’re only right only in the sense that nothing in science is ever really “settled”. Scientific knowledge, by its very nature, is probabilistic and provisional. Our understanding of the world and universe is constantly in flux as new shit comes to light, man.

But biological evolution from a single called common ancestor to multicellular life is absolutely accepted as the unifying theory of biology by the relevant scientific community.

Direction if this process by an intelligent being is unnecessary, non-parsimonious, and therefore illogical.
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You use science to support your argument then laugh at science that doesn't support your argument. :LOL:
 
FearTheDeer said:
Nobody brought up Islam because the article in OP isn’t about someone converting to Islam. But if it makes this space feel safer, I assure you that my feelings towards Christianity are the same as they are towards Islam - or astrology, homeopathy, human sacrifices to Quetzalcoatl, etc.

Computer programming is not a biological process so I’m not really sure how that applies to our discussion here.

And you’re only right only in the sense that nothing in science is ever really “settled”. Scientific knowledge, by its very nature, is probabilistic and provisional. Our understanding of the world and universe is constantly in flux as new shit comes to light, man.

But biological evolution from a single called common ancestor to multicellular life is absolutely accepted as the unifying theory of biology by the relevant scientific community.

Direction if this process by an intelligent being is unnecessary, non-parsimonious, and therefore illogical.
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Well if you think human intelligence evolved from a mud puddle I have a block of land I'd like to sell you at the North Pole.
 
VonBonfire said:
I smell Phoney Iommi. Stinks like Canadians in here. :LOL:
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