Last time you plugged STRAIGHT IN?

[glpg80]

whenever I plug in. Does going into a amp selector switch count?

No. low impedance output with a high impedance input. You will not be able to hear the high impedance differences of the front end.

 

[stephen sawall]

whenever I plug in. Does going into a amp selector switch count?

No. low impedance output with a high impedance input. You will not be able to hear the high impedance differences of the front end.

If you can hear it or not it is not strait in .... I have never heard amp selector that does not effect the sound & feel built by anyone. Obviously some are better than others. Just changing cable lengths can change the sound & feel. You can not add or subtract ANYTHING without effecting the sound to some degree ???

 

[stephen sawall]

Reading this thread I get the feeling many people do not understand what "plugged straight in" means ....
Guitar>Amp>Cab
If you add anything other than these three elements or are using the loop at all that is not "plugging straight in".... That is something else.

Yeah, my original post was about guitar>cable>amp.
I see guys saying they plug straight in and only have a compressor, switcher, volume or wah in front. That's not what I was getting at.
Even my best TB pedals take something away from the feel/touch when in front. I'm thinking its the extra cabling...
So I'm only looking for amps now that can perform without gadjets in front of it. I'm waiting to close a deal on a VHT UL as a result, and ditching one of my "boost needed" amps. I anticipate great results from the VHT in that regard.

Fryette & THD are pretty much the only amps I have been using for years. Some people boost Fryette amps .... I do not feel it is needed but do use them to alter the color sometimes. But you loose detail in response adding anything is my experience...

 

[Atomic Playboy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbC8pWwj ... plpp_video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_U33VbH ... ure=relmfu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Kgk_Sh ... el&list=UL
These are some of the best plugged straight in tones I have heard in a long time...course I am partial to George's JTM 45-100, one of my favorite amps of all time, also an original 1966 on display here
Great player as well. The buzzing on the ES-335/Metro amp clip is from the snare on the drum not disengaged..
My personal best all time plugged straight in tone was my ex-Jennings JMI Vox AC-15 TV cabinet, circa 1959 and my 1952/56 Les Paul Goldtop conversion, pure-Stones, Beatles you name it, but pure was the name of the game.
Old Fender amps are that way as well, straight in is always best, no pedals, ect..

Atomic Playboy

 

[glpg80]

whenever I plug in. Does going into a amp selector switch count?

No. low impedance output with a high impedance input. You will not be able to hear the high impedance differences of the front end.

If you can hear it or not it is not strait in .... I have never heard amp selector that does not effect the sound & feel built by anyone. Obviously some are better than others. Just changing cable lengths can change the sound & feel. You can not add or subtract ANYTHING without effecting the sound to some degree ???

here is an example.

.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

is this zero?

Some would say no. Some would say yes.

All based on different aspects and purposes of an end result of which it applies. Impedance buffers do nothing but exactly that. Well designed products will do it better than others that do not. All experiences, versus theoretical, are based on the above example. Where do you draw the line?

 

[stephen sawall]

.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

is this zero?

Not at all .... only zero is zero ?

I understand what you are saying .... but that certainly should never be called zero by anyone for any reason. You could add a billion trillion more (0) before the (1) if you want ~ still not zero....

 

[rsm]

Today. Finally got everyone out of the house, closest neighbors are away for the weekend. My ears hurt!!!!

BC Rich Chuck Schuldiner Tribute Stealth direct into my Engl rig with the power amp's volumes at half (noon), and preamp clean channel at 9-10 o'clock, lead channel at noon-1 o'clock (clean channel is much louder at same gain/volume setting?). It was loud, righteously loud then I hit the gain switch on the power amp and felt like I was punched in the chest. stuff in the room started shaking, controlled feedback on just about everywhere when I let single notes ring out, and the guitar was vibrating nicely in response...full circuit.

after some Sepultura, Megadeth, Maiden and Sabbath riffs for some reason I started channeling Mick Mars?!...the sound had a Mick Mars character to it (IMO), but much meaner with more saturation, but still had that Mars vibe. I haven't played this stuff in years (decade?!)

this camper is happy.

 

[Mailman1971]

Today. Finally got everyone out of the house, closest neighbors are away for the weekend. My ears hurt!!!!

BC Rich Chuck Schuldiner Tribute Stealth direct into my Engl rig with the power amp's volumes at half (noon), and preamp clean channel at 9-10 o'clock, lead channel at noon-1 o'clock (clean channel is much louder at same gain/volume setting?). It was loud, righteously loud then I hit the gain switch on the power amp and felt like I was punched in the chest. stuff in the room started shaking, controlled feedback on just about everywhere when I let single notes ring out, and the guitar was vibrating nicely in response...full circuit.

after some Sepultura, Megadeth, Maiden and Sabbath riffs for some reason I started channeling Mick Mars?!...the sound had a Mick Mars character to it (IMO), but much meaner with more saturation, but still had that Mars vibe. I haven't played this stuff in years (decade?!)

this camper is happy.

I love it!! Greatness that cant be beat is to crank up that rig!!
Always fun to run it opened up!!

 

[rsm]

Thanks! I agree.

FWIW, I can do this with my Vox amps more frequently in the past as the house is empty regularly, but I've not had a high gain half stack since I sold my ADA full stack rig, this modern high gain is at a whole nuther level! I've had Engl for about two weeks, and could not get the house clear, when the house was empty I had to work... talk about frustrating! when I work from home, I can stare at the Engl rig.

The Mick Mars thing was very strange though (Shout at the Devil !) at least it wasn't CC DeVille (don't get me wrong, I dig Poison...covering them made the ladies very thankful back in the day! Poison was berry berry good to me. )

 

[glpg80]

.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

is this zero?

Not at all .... only zero is zero ?

I understand what you are saying .... but that certainly should never be called zero by anyone for any reason. You could add a billion trillion more (0) before the (1) if you want ~ still not zero....

In calculus where you apply limits for integrals which are slopes of a tangent, that would be called zero with limits. The same applies to the impervious quest for tonal oblivion. How far do you go before you draw the line. Some go even further, swapping brands of caps, resistors, etc. lead length, location, you could go on and on.

 

[Anonymous]

0.0 = 0

anything else aside from -integers is.... 0<

 

[glpg80]

0.0 = 0

anything else aside from -integers is.... 0<

without limits yes.

without limits is theoretical. try dividing by zero

 

[stephen sawall]

.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

is this zero?

Not at all .... only zero is zero ?

I understand what you are saying .... but that certainly should never be called zero by anyone for any reason. You could add a billion trillion more (0) before the (1) if you want ~ still not zero....

In calculus where you apply limits for integrals which are slopes of a tangent, that would be called zero with limits. The same applies to the impervious quest for tonal oblivion. How far do you go before you draw the line. Some go even further, swapping brands of caps, resistors, etc. lead length, location, you could go on and on.

I took calculus my first time in collage .... Did they not cover the fact it is all estaments where you studied ? This topic was covered the first few days where I studied. It is not like other maths where real numbers are only used. Terms like "approaching zero", "near zero" apply .... "zero with limits" is not zero.
A bit off topic / humorous and certainly not important.

 

[Anonymous]

yep. if almost counted, there'd be a whole heck of a lot of history to rewrite!

was funny. great topic though, i was plugged "almost" straight in tonite

gtr/boss line splitter/amps

tee hee !

 

[glpg80]

I took calculus my first time in collage .... Did they not cover the fact it is all estaments where you studied ? This topic was covered the first few days where I studied. It is not like other maths where real numbers are only used. Terms like "approaching zero", "near zero" apply .... "zero with limits" is not zero.
A bit off topic / humorous and certainly not important.

Of course it is all in good taste

Most of the time we limit the domain to rewrite functions so reals can be determined, but the upper level calc classes continue to handle both real and imaginary. None of what we have spoken with thus far in this topic deals with this minus the theoretical i mentioned.

Calculus is fun in that it has boundaries you can create and set. The same applies to gear and this as little as possible mentality. Technically speaking the purist tone is that straight from your forehead to the speakers with no intervention whatsoever, but we are far from that ideal as it would put alot of companies out of business

 

[rlord1974]

I've got you all beat. I don't even use cables. It requires some contortioning while I play but man, the TONE ! I plug my guitar direct to the amp with this :

 

[blackba]

I can't remember the last time I plugged straight in, I am pretty reliant on pedals. I also disliked the ISP Decimator G-string I had and thought it changed my tone big time, so I guess I am at the opposite end.

 

[Charvel1975]

Lots of talk lately about shedding gear that is clogging up signal paths, and I'm one of them.

All my pedals color my tone. Every single one, to one degree or another.
The feel, the attack and the response of straight in had obviously been lost on me.
Guitar > 6505 = WOW!
The only pedal that I couldn't hear interfering is a Decimator in the loop with an 11:00 setting, so that's where it stays. (I did feel a small affect when it was in front of the amp)

Fuck the front end / operating noise. (I can deal)
Screw boosts. (Getting used to it)
Forget the tone sucking line of connector/jumper cables. (Always hated the clutter)

I can't sacrifice that natural straight up feel anymore.

So, have you disconnected your life support system (AKA a pedalboard/rack) lately?

Thats how I'm running right now Guitar > 6505+ Head and it sounds great! Never really used a ton of effects before, when running my mesa tverb head I used a boss ch-5 chorus thru the loop but sold the ch-5 a little while back. The only other pedals I have right now that I'm not even using at the moment is a Boss SD-1 overdrive, Boss NS-2 and a Morley Bad Horsie 1 Wah. I thought I was gonna get a ton of feedback when I got the 6505+ but that hasn't been the case. The other non pedal stuff I have is a SKB 4-space rotomold rack case with a furman rp8-L and a Korg DT-1000 rack tuner, I'm trying to decide right now for simplicity, especially with shows & setup time, if I should just go the pedal board & pedal route or get a decent rackmount dedicated effects processor like a used tc electronics g major? Or should I get a pedal tuner, been looking at the GFS gft-90 tuner pedal, and try to find another chorus pedal, like a MXR Black Label Chorus, to run with the 6505+?