Less gain = more tone

[FriedChickenBandit]

This should be common knowledge... keyword SHOULD. More gain = more compression and most amps are not designed to let all the tone "potential" truely shine through when you are cranking the gain. In other words the gain starts to blanket the true musical tone of the amp (if it has musical tone lol). Back when I first started playing I did not know anything about gear and only palyed metal, so I cranked gain all the time. As years go by I have been turning the gain down more and more until I hit that sweet spot where it is still mean and meaty, but a LOT less gain than most use. Your statement is 100% correct!!

Yes it should be common knowledge. When I first started out I couldn't get enough gain and everything had to be pushed with the Metal Zone. After the 5 years..no more Metal Zone but still need to crank gain. After 10 years, just tube screamer used as a boost with the "drive" all the way down and most high gain amps at 2 o'clock on gain..after 15 yrs and beyond you actually LEARN to play and can get good tone from ANY amp (yes, tone is in the hands). Today I have an Elmwood M60 and the great Diezel Einstein (love this amp) I set everything at 12 0'clcok on both and all is perfect..the Einstein with the tube screamer is just too damn fucking good to be true.

 

[Shira]

i've got the best tone yet with triode (30W) mode, channel 2 with engaged drive, master on 5, preamp on 5 and gain on 3... tone heaven!

Nearly my settings exactly...(I use a Hot Plate though)...

I was thinking of getting myself one to. Are you pleased with it? How it works?

 

[Bronco]

It's alright...I'm sure there are better attenuators out there. The Hot Plate is the only one I've ever had.

 

[Nico]

This should be common knowledge... keyword SHOULD. More gain = more compression and most amps are not designed to let all the tone "potential" truely shine through when you are cranking the gain. In other words the gain starts to blanket the true musical tone of the amp (if it has musical tone lol). Back when I first started playing I did not know anything about gear and only palyed metal, so I cranked gain all the time. As years go by I have been turning the gain down more and more until I hit that sweet spot where it is still mean and meaty, but a LOT less gain than most use. Your statement is 100% correct!!

Yes it should be common knowledge. When I first started out I couldn't get enough gain and everything had to be pushed with the Metal Zone. After the 5 years..no more Metal Zone but still need to crank gain. After 10 years, just tube screamer used as a boost with the "drive" all the way down and most high gain amps at 2 o'clock on gain..after 15 yrs and beyond you actually LEARN to play and can get good tone from ANY amp (yes, tone is in the hands). Today I have an Elmwood M60 and the great Diezel Einstein (love this amp) I set everything at 12 0'clcok on both and all is perfect..the Einstein with the tube screamer is just too damn fucking good to be true.

Hi I have an Einstein as well, how do you think it compares to the Elmwood. I ask because I was between those two amps and decided on the Einstein although I could not try any myself (I live in Argentina)

How do you think the Einstein compares to say Bogners, Custom Audio Amplifiers or hot rodded Marshalls (Friedman, Forti) etc?

Thanks a lot, I really like the Einstein, just want to know what you think

Regards,

 

[Nico]

This should be common knowledge... keyword SHOULD. More gain = more compression and most amps are not designed to let all the tone "potential" truely shine through when you are cranking the gain. In other words the gain starts to blanket the true musical tone of the amp (if it has musical tone lol). Back when I first started playing I did not know anything about gear and only palyed metal, so I cranked gain all the time. As years go by I have been turning the gain down more and more until I hit that sweet spot where it is still mean and meaty, but a LOT less gain than most use. Your statement is 100% correct!!

Yes it should be common knowledge. When I first started out I couldn't get enough gain and everything had to be pushed with the Metal Zone. After the 5 years..no more Metal Zone but still need to crank gain. After 10 years, just tube screamer used as a boost with the "drive" all the way down and most high gain amps at 2 o'clock on gain..after 15 yrs and beyond you actually LEARN to play and can get good tone from ANY amp (yes, tone is in the hands). Today I have an Elmwood M60 and the great Diezel Einstein (love this amp) I set everything at 12 0'clcok on both and all is perfect..the Einstein with the tube screamer is just too damn fucking good to be true.

Hi I have an Einstein as well, how do you think it compares to the Elmwood. I ask because I was between those two amps and decided on the Einstein although I could not try any myself (I live in Argentina)

How do you think the Einstein compares to say Bogners, Custom Audio Amplifiers or hot rodded Marshalls (Friedman, Forti) etc?

Thanks a lot, I really like the Einstein, just want to know what you think

Regards,

 

[FriedChickenBandit]

This should be common knowledge... keyword SHOULD. More gain = more compression and most amps are not designed to let all the tone "potential" truely shine through when you are cranking the gain. In other words the gain starts to blanket the true musical tone of the amp (if it has musical tone lol). Back when I first started playing I did not know anything about gear and only palyed metal, so I cranked gain all the time. As years go by I have been turning the gain down more and more until I hit that sweet spot where it is still mean and meaty, but a LOT less gain than most use. Your statement is 100% correct!!

Yes it should be common knowledge. When I first started out I couldn't get enough gain and everything had to be pushed with the Metal Zone. After the 5 years..no more Metal Zone but still need to crank gain. After 10 years, just tube screamer used as a boost with the "drive" all the way down and most high gain amps at 2 o'clock on gain..after 15 yrs and beyond you actually LEARN to play and can get good tone from ANY amp (yes, tone is in the hands). Today I have an Elmwood M60 and the great Diezel Einstein (love this amp) I set everything at 12 0'clcok on both and all is perfect..the Einstein with the tube screamer is just too damn fucking good to be true.

Hi I have an Einstein as well, how do you think it compares to the Elmwood. I ask because I was between those two amps and decided on the Einstein although I could not try any myself (I live in Argentina)

How do you think the Einstein compares to say Bogners, Custom Audio Amplifiers or hot rodded Marshalls (Friedman, Forti) etc?

Thanks a lot, I really like the Einstein, just want to know what you think

Regards,

I'm the WRONG person to ask..take a look at my post/thread count after 3 years. I play, I don't get cut up in rubbing up against the amps I play or wear the knobs out after 5 days. I'll play a $100 practice amp just as I would a $4k boutique amp.

All I can say is try them out if possible because no one alive can tell you exactly how two amps compare with just words and I'd hate to be the person that influences a purchase because something I said you might just regret it later on. One thing I will say..the Diezels build quality is fucking GERMAN all the way. The Modena feels like a $200 amp when you compare it to the Einstein..Einstein is heavier and bulkier and you feel like you could drop that bastard out of a cliff and it'll survive. I had to send my first Elmwood back..I paid $3k + for an amp that was popping and making strange sounds. I didn't fuck around, I emailed the seller and Elmwood and demanded a new one and they delivered so that's what type of service a $3k amp gets you. All top notch with the edge to Diezel as far as build quality, not saying the Modena isn't but you just have to have both to understand.

Elmwood - more versatile the Edge and Fat knobs do alot
Diezel - great tone and again, built like a tank

I recommend both (told you..wrong guy to ask I don't have 50,000,000 posts)..and btw I'm DAMN glad that communist piece of crap Maradonna got his ass whooped by Germany at the World Cup.

 

[paulscape]

Yeah gotta watch that bass - Ive had my M90 on the same settings for ages while playing pub gigs. We had to play a huge show the other week where everything was miked and huge PA systems dripping all over the stage. The bass players sound was heaps loud and thick and my Elmwood up at high volume just went to mud on our first song. Had to quickly knock back the fat and bass controls and reduce the gain/raise volume to emphasize the higher mids and get that punch back. I learnt a big lesson that night!

There's a lot more gain than you think on ch2 because its so focussed...I hardly ever use the drive...just straight up ch2 with gain on about 6.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

I find most metal amps sound best when the gain is lowered. I play a lot of different styles of very heavy metal, but on my Soldano Avenger the gain is only at 12 o'clock. I started at 3 o'clock and gradually decreased it every month or so. It still is a little bit too much.