Link To Celestion Speaker Comparisons

[ajharris1215]

here is a very useful link i got from forum member "neuro" that accurately compares a few different types of popular celestion speakers. check it out (scroll down to the bogner shiva comparisons http://www.bobsavage.net/bogner/bogner.htm

 

[nbarts]

So I have a question for you: which speaker in this comparison is closer to gk100?

I personally liked Greenback & G12H-30 with Shiva in this comparison. But I don't think one can make any objective judgment before they plug their amp heads in that thing.

 

[ajharris1215]

So I have a question for you: which speaker in this comparison is closer to gk100?

I personally liked Greenback & G12H-30 with Shiva in this comparison. But I don't think one can make any objective judgment before they plug their amp heads in that thing.

none of them really sound very close to the gk100. its totally transparent compared to these. if i had to pick, i'd say the g12h30, but slightly darker and much more clear.

i've never tried it, but i would guess that greenbacks combined with g12h30s would be too strong and weird in their midrange. and if i was gonna try greenbacks again (i used to have a greenback loaded Marshall 1960TV cabinet), i'd find some old 70's ones on ebay or something. imho, those sound superior when compared to today's offerings...

but remember, greenbacks (a.k.a. g12m-25s) are only 25 watts. this makes a greenback loaded 4x12 only 100 watts. so an herbert or vh4 would not only overdrive them to hell, but probably eventually blow them. even at low volumes, they'll probably be overdriven so much that their break-up would be harsh and unpleasant to the ear.

however, these are just my thoughts. you won't know unless you try?

 

[VilleDZL]

I believe that G12K-100s are developed from Lead 80s. So those should be the closest equivalent but if anyone knows a fact please let us know. I had G12K-100s on my Orange 4x12 and really liked ´em. Also when I played VH4 first time we first tried it through Framus 4x12 loaded with v30s and it farted out immediately. Then we tried it through George Dennis 4x12 with G12K-100s and the amp started to deliver. Obviously it had a lot to do with the cabs but also with the elements.

I´m going to order Diezel front loaded 4x12 with G12K-100s as soon as I can get enough money for it. I used to play my Herbert through stock Übercab and now I have Marshall Lead 1960 as temporarily solution but it sucks

I also had Lead 80s in my Marshall Silver Anniversary combo and in one of my ex 1960 cabs and I also think that G12K-100s are more transparent and they´re also very balanced sounding.

 

[thegame]

I believe that G12K-100s are developed from Lead 80s. So those should be the closest equivalent but if anyone knows a fact please let us know.

G12K-100s are derived from G12T-75s. In fact they practically are G12T-75s except with a large magnet, instead of the medium size magnet of the 75. Its funny how just one thing can change on a speaker and it'll sound 10 x better !

Here's a website where you can sample some other Celestions, including the K-100.
Note : the super 65 on there is NOT the Heritage G12-65 !

http://www.kool-elfring.com/Pages/Engli ... 3-eng.html

 

[ajharris1215]

G12K-100s are derived from G12T-75s. In fact they practically are G12T-75s except with a large magnet, instead of the medium size magnet of the 75. Its funny how just one thing can change on a speaker and it'll sound 10 x better !

Here's a website where you can sample some other Celestions, including the K-100.
Note : the super 65 on there is NOT the Heritage G12-65 !

http://www.kool-elfring.com/Pages/Engli ... 3-eng.html

cool man. thanks...

 

[Neuro]

ajharriss...thanks for the props bro! That's a great link and helped me pick my V30/G12H30 combo for my Diezel cab.

About the GK-100...I have yet to try these speakers but I've always heard that they were everything the GT-75's were lacking in and more. Accurate frequency response (like Lead 80's)...or better from what I've heard. I can't wait to try these in a front-loaded Diezel!

 

[Neuro]

G12K-100s are derived from G12T-75s. In fact they practically are G12T-75s except with a large magnet, instead of the medium size magnet of the 75. Its funny how just one thing can change on a speaker and it'll sound 10 x better !

Here's a website where you can sample some other Celestions, including the K-100.
Note : the super 65 on there is NOT the Heritage G12-65 !

http://www.kool-elfring.com/Pages/Engli ... 3-eng.html

Nice! The GK-100's sound great compared to the others...I wonder if a Diezel FL GK-100 cab would sound better mixed with my Diezel V30/G12H30 cab, as opposed to just using my V30/G12H30 cab. Any advice guys?

 

[thegame]

About the GK-100...I have yet to try these speakers but I've always heard that they were everything the GT-75's were lacking in and more. Accurate frequency response (like Lead 80's)...

IMHO yes they are. To my ear they're a massively improved G12T-75, similar character, just way 'better' LOL.

The GK-100s are certainly accurate and so are CL80s, but the 100s have more 'character' than the (IMO) sterile CL80s. The 80s have a fibreglass voicecoil while the 100s and 75s have Kapton voicecoils. Different materials used in construction have different sonic properties. BTW don't take that to mean using fibreglass is a bad thing as the G12-65 uses that too and is an incredible speaker in its own right.

As long as we're talking about high powered Celestions, my first 4x12 (about 16 years ago) had 150w Celestion Sidewinders. Back then I didn't know anything about tone and got them because they were 'heavy metal' speakers. Now those were HARSH ! Very metallic and super sterile. Not as much low end as you would think from a 150w speaker. I think the G12K-100 has alot more lowend and just sounds a lot better overall.

 

[ajharris1215]

wow. in retrospect, the 100s do sound like t75s, just way better. all of the harshness is gone and the clarity is better. i never liked 75s.

i've heard the GK-100s loaded in an Orange 4x12 cabinet. the cab sounds dark overall, so i think it compliments the speakers. i'm gonna try them in Xpattern with V30s.

 

[nbarts]

Cool. This is some good info!

 

[van hellion]

yeah im loving this post! good stuff

peace
Andy W

 

[Neuro]

Anyone had much experience w/ G12H-30's? I've loving mine, even for semi-high gain stuff. The V30's tend to break up a little better with high gain (I assume because of the higher wattage?), but the G12H-30's have such a sweet tone with clean and vintage stuff...it's rediculous.

Definately a worthy speaker!

 

[VilleDZL]

I believe that G12K-100s are developed from Lead 80s. So those should be the closest equivalent but if anyone knows a fact please let us know.

G12K-100s are derived from G12T-75s. In fact they practically are G12T-75s except with a large magnet, instead of the medium size magnet of the 75. Its funny how just one thing can change on a speaker and it'll sound 10 x better !

Here's a website where you can sample some other Celestions, including the K-100.
Note : the super 65 on there is NOT the Heritage G12-65 !

http://www.kool-elfring.com/Pages/Engli ... 3-eng.html

Thanks man. I remembered wrongly like I thought. They have similar qualities in their sound.

I find an old e-mail about this and there a people who I trust very much told me that G12K-100 is evolution from G12H-100. So do you know if this is correct and what are the differences between those two? I believe G12H-100 are no longer in manufacture so it sounds logical that G12Ks would be the successor of those.

 

[thegame]

[Thanks man. I remembered wrongly like I thought. They have similar qualities in their sound.

I find an old e-mail about this and there a people who I trust very much told me that G12K-100 is evolution from G12H-100. So do you know if this is correct and what are the differences between those two? I believe G12H-100 are no longer in manufacture so it sounds logical that G12Ks would be the successor of those.

Yes that is also true The H100 has a large magnet like a K100, but the voicecoil on the H (or some other part of the speaker) is spaced a bit further apart than on the K. All else is the same I think. What this does is give the K a little more bottom, more control & definition than the H. Otherwise they are very, very similar sounding.

I've been cut'n'pasting interesting speaker info into Text documents for years now; thats how I gained alot of this knowledge. Most of it has been from the Dr. Decibel guy directly from Celestion. Of course I've tried tons of Celestions over the years too

I do have the exact technical explanation on the H100 & K100 saved somewhere but I can't find it at the moment. I was paraphrasing it above but its pretty close.

Oh, and to add to the confusion : if you want to get some "G12K-100"s for really cheap, look on Ebay for G12K-85s. Dr. Decibel said in an email to me a few years ao that they are the EXACT same speaker. The 85 stopped appearing in their Catalog but they never stopped making it. One day they just 'reissued' it and renamed it as the G12K-100.
Personally I'd just buy new K100s because I don't like old tired half blown out speakers but the choice is yours.
Myself I'm pretty sure I'm going to get one of those new K100 Diezel cabs as soon as they're available to Canada.

Good luck.

 

[VilleDZL]

Thank you very much for the information! I´m going to order front loaded 4x12 with G12K-100s as soon as possible. Actually I ordered one back in the days but I gave up after 7 months waiting and bought Übercab but that was a long ago. Back then they were built in USA and had to ship back to Europe. I believe there were some delays and of course they had to fill the whole container. I´m after the best definition and fastest attack and I believe that combination will do the trick

 

[Jaymz82]

I´m after the best definition and fastest attack and I believe that combination will do the trick

Than the G12K100 FL will be probably the best cab you can get. Super fast attack and tight as hell. Just returned from a gig and still can't stop smiling. Best cab I have ever had and heard.

 

[VilleDZL]

Jaymz, do you still have G12K-100s and V-30s in your cab?

And I do feel that I just can´t get everything out of my Herbert with these "regular" cabs so maybe I just have to sell one of my guitars or something and get that front loaded one.

 

[Jaymz82]

Yes, I will stick with the combination. I have used the G12K100 the last two gigs for micing and got lots of compliment for my sound. The speaker is very easy to mic and sound awesome in our band mix.
Still at rehearsal when I use the cab unmiced I'm glad to have the V30 because it gives my a fuller and bigger sound. I couldn't be and never have been any happier with a cab. Finally found my dream rig, so to say

 

[VilleDZL]

Yes, I will stick with the combination. I have used the G12K100 the last two gigs for micing and got lots of compliment for my sound. The speaker is very easy to mic and sound awesome in our band mix.
Still at rehearsal when I use the cab unmiced I'm glad to have the V30 because it gives my a fuller and bigger sound. I couldn't be and never have been any happier with a cab. Finally found my dream rig, so to say

I´m going to go for 4 G12K-100s because I think they´ll be the best choice with Herbert but I´ll definitely keep your comments about the combination on my mind.