Mark IIC+ vs IIC++ vs JP-2C video review.

[Tone Monster]

They are all within 3-5% of each other. Impossible to tell in a mix.

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

Really good comparison. I would take the JP2C overall as its new, reliable, and more versatile. I also like the 16 Ohm out.

I did like the tone from the C++. Good work on the video.

The only guys trashing the JP2C (or most other variations of the Mark) compared to the JP2C are those C+ nuthuggers that don't want to lose the family fortune they got tied up in their C+ amps. With the JP2C on the market, I can't see any realistic reason to pay $2000+ or more for a used C+ with the issues that come with a 25 year old amp?

And if you don't play metal... I think your posting on the wrong forum. There's a country music forum down the way there...

 

[Racerxrated]

Really good comparison. I would take the JP2C overall as its new, reliable, and more versatile. I also like the 16 Ohm out.

I did like the tone from the C++. Good work on the video.

The only guys trashing the JP2C (or most other variations of the Mark) compared to the JP2C are those C+ nuthuggers that don't want to lose the family fortune they got tied up in their C+ amps. With the JP2C on the market, I can't see any realistic reason to pay $2000+ or more for a used C+ with the issues that come with a 25 year old amp?

And if you don't play metal... I think your posting on the wrong forum. There's a country music forum down the way there...

??? I don't know where you read here that anyone is TRASHING the JP2C. Most opinions just say they believe the originals sound better, not by a lot but better. Seems like you have a little butthurt when it comes to the vintage 2C+ owners/supporters.
Even if the original sounds 10% better, it still sounds better. That's life.
JP2C is a cool amp, I might grab one or a Mk IV soon. Not trashing any other Mesa product, but there's a reason the original is iconic.
BTW, I have experienced some of the C+ nutthuggery myself, since mine is the dreaded upgraded vs original C+. Lol

 

[Racerxrated]

I prefer the top amp but given that the JP2C sounds so close, beats out a MkIv or V and is available off the shelf withe about 98% the same tone-age as an ancient amp modded...I vote JP2C.

Does it?

Mark IV for the win in that comparo.

Both sound killer..

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

Really good comparison. I would take the JP2C overall as its new, reliable, and more versatile. I also like the 16 Ohm out.

I did like the tone from the C++. Good work on the video.

The only guys trashing the JP2C (or most other variations of the Mark) compared to the JP2C are those C+ nuthuggers that don't want to lose the family fortune they got tied up in their C+ amps. With the JP2C on the market, I can't see any realistic reason to pay $2000+ or more for a used C+ with the issues that come with a 25 year old amp?

And if you don't play metal... I think your posting on the wrong forum. There's a country music forum down the way there...

??? I don't know where you read here that anyone is TRASHING the JP2C. Most opinions just say they believe the originals sound better, not by a lot but better. Seems like you have a little butthurt when it comes to the vintage 2C+ owners/supporters.
Even if the original sounds 10% better, it still sounds better. That's life.
JP2C is a cool amp, I might grab one or a Mk IV soon. Not trashing any other Mesa product, but there's a reason the original is iconic.
BTW, I have experienced some of the C+ nutthuggery myself, since mine is the dreaded upgraded vs original C+. Lol

Where did I say "here" as in anywhere on this forum or in this thread. Read. I made a general statement. If the shoe fits? I don't own any Mark amps... I have no dog in this hunt. Just an observation. Sounds like you might be a C+ nuthugger.

 

[GJgo]

To me it's not the sound. I set all the knobs to be "equal" for the vid, but with a little more very fine tweaking you can get them all to sound close enough that most guys may never notice the difference- especially in a mix. Just really subtle things that you pick up on when you're actually playing them. To me, the big difference w/ the originals is the feel, the feedback & sustain, and the harmonics. These add up into a 3D character that's worth the price of entry. When you're in the room playing them it just blows your mind.

 

[Racerxrated]

Really good comparison. I would take the JP2C overall as its new, reliable, and more versatile. I also like the 16 Ohm out.

I did like the tone from the C++. Good work on the video.

The only guys trashing the JP2C (or most other variations of the Mark) compared to the JP2C are those C+ nuthuggers that don't want to lose the family fortune they got tied up in their C+ amps. With the JP2C on the market, I can't see any realistic reason to pay $2000+ or more for a used C+ with the issues that come with a 25 year old amp?

And if you don't play metal... I think your posting on the wrong forum. There's a country music forum down the way there...

??? I don't know where you read here that anyone is TRASHING the JP2C. Most opinions just say they believe the originals sound better, not by a lot but better. Seems like you have a little butthurt when it comes to the vintage 2C+ owners/supporters.
Even if the original sounds 10% better, it still sounds better. That's life.
JP2C is a cool amp, I might grab one or a Mk IV soon. Not trashing any other Mesa product, but there's a reason the original is iconic.
BTW, I have experienced some of the C+ nutthuggery myself, since mine is the dreaded upgraded vs original C+. Lol

Where did I say "here" as in anywhere on this forum or in this thread. Read. I made a general statement. If the shoe fits? I don't own any Mark amps... I have no dog in this hunt. Just an observation. Sounds like you might be a C+ nuthugger.

You made the statement here, on THIS forum so stands to reason...I haven't read anywhere here that anyone is trashing the JP2C and then you throw in the "family fortune/C+ nuthuggers" comment. Seems like your butthurt is real. Maybe you wanted one and the price was too high? They do command a lot of cash. I feel for ya. I haven't gotten everything I wanted either.
Maybe you too can find a 2C for 750, send it in for the upgrade and only have 1100 into it. Like me.

 

[braintheory]

Really good comparison. I would take the JP2C overall as its new, reliable, and more versatile. I also like the 16 Ohm out.

I did like the tone from the C++. Good work on the video.

The only guys trashing the JP2C (or most other variations of the Mark) compared to the JP2C are those C+ nuthuggers that don't want to lose the family fortune they got tied up in their C+ amps. With the JP2C on the market, I can't see any realistic reason to pay $2000+ or more for a used C+ with the issues that come with a 25 year old amp?

And if you don't play metal... I think your posting on the wrong forum. There's a country music forum down the way there...

I don't think anyone on this thread or even on this forum has trashed the JP2C at all. It's an awesome amp. For what it's worth, I've gotten to AB my mark IIC+ HRG (my favroite amp) with the JP2C, and the JP2C sounded terrific and 90-95% as good as my IIC+, but like the others said the IIC+ was just a bit more raw, organic, 3D, and also more extended in the highs and lows. Of the amps being made today though, I think the JP2C is one of the very best out there for modern metal and versatility. Obviously, the JP2C wins for features and flexibility, but if you're a stickler about a raw, organic tone you may not be satisfied unless you have the original. Given that you have a 50 year old Marshall Plexi, I don't see why you would have an issue owning an amp that's about 20 years younger

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

... and out come the nutthuggers.

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

Really good comparison. I would take the JP2C overall as its new, reliable, and more versatile. I also like the 16 Ohm out.

I did like the tone from the C++. Good work on the video.

The only guys trashing the JP2C (or most other variations of the Mark) compared to the JP2C are those C+ nuthuggers that don't want to lose the family fortune they got tied up in their C+ amps. With the JP2C on the market, I can't see any realistic reason to pay $2000+ or more for a used C+ with the issues that come with a 25 year old amp?

And if you don't play metal... I think your posting on the wrong forum. There's a country music forum down the way there...

??? I don't know where you read here that anyone is TRASHING the JP2C. Most opinions just say they believe the originals sound better, not by a lot but better. Seems like you have a little butthurt when it comes to the vintage 2C+ owners/supporters.
Even if the original sounds 10% better, it still sounds better. That's life.
JP2C is a cool amp, I might grab one or a Mk IV soon. Not trashing any other Mesa product, but there's a reason the original is iconic.
BTW, I have experienced some of the C+ nutthuggery myself, since mine is the dreaded upgraded vs original C+. Lol

Where did I say "here" as in anywhere on this forum or in this thread. Read. I made a general statement. If the shoe fits? I don't own any Mark amps... I have no dog in this hunt. Just an observation. Sounds like you might be a C+ nuthugger.

You made the statement here, on THIS forum so stands to reason...I haven't read anywhere here that anyone is trashing the JP2C and then you throw in the "family fortune/C+ nuthuggers" comment. Seems like your butthurt is real. Maybe you wanted one and the price was too high? They do command a lot of cash. I feel for ya. I haven't gotten everything I wanted either.
Maybe you too can find a 2C for 750, send it in for the upgrade and only have 1100 into it. Like me.

No it does not "stand to reason". Read what I wrote and stop projecting your butt-hurt.

I do not own any Mark amps. Never chased the MKIIC+ tone. I'm not in awe of the sacred MKIIC+ tone either. I could careless what you bought yours for and what did to it. If I wanted one, I most definitely can afford it. That you can rest assured.

 

[eternal_idol]

My issue with the JP2c is the locked in place push/pull and Vol.1 shenanigans, they are simply set in a way i don't really appreciate.

however, that shred mode and the JP2c presence are very nice additions. I wonder if boogie would consider adding these things to the "mod" roster in a switchable fashion.

I wonder if a Full fledged(meaning all options available and not locked)simul-class 3 channel 2c+ is in the works

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

After all this Mark peen-comparing and measuring though... I might have to buy some to see what the big deal is all about.

 

[jkdsteve]

I prefer the top amp but given that the JP2C sounds so close, beats out a MkIv or V and is available off the shelf withe about 98% the same tone-age as an ancient amp modded...I vote JP2C.

Does it?

Mark IV for the win in that comparo.

Both sound killer..

Agree, nice back to back...love the aggression of the IV there.

 

[eternal_idol]

After all this Mark peen-comparing and measuring though... I might have to buy some to see what the big deal is all about.

Well they are something a little different from the average High gain amp. the only thing i can think that is actually similar to these are the Acoustic control Corp Clones (160, 164 and 165)

if you like using boost pedals (in the aspect of tone shaping before the distortion stages) you will likely find something you like in a Mark series amp.

 

[mojotone]

They are all within 3-5% of each other. Impossible to tell in a mix.

This is what I was trying to say. With so much saturation of gain, who's to say? I learned to play electric guitar by the likes of EARLY 1980's Iron Madien, Priest, Ozzy etc..... I have been a Boogie player since the late 1980's and like what I hear. The C+ is so much a well-rounded amp, and just gets ignored for its other great tones, other than METAL. No butt-hurt here and no family fortune tied up in them, for sure. None of them are for sale.

 

[thiswaythatway]

... and out come the nutthuggers.

 

[zewango]

Oh No!!!!!!! You didnt

 

[psychodave]

I'm a 2C++ nut hugger. I really hoped the JP2C was going to sound better, then I would have sold off my 2C++. I go by my ear, not my wallet.

With that said, I have a boogie rack that absolutely crushes. I almost don't need my amp heads anymore.

 

[thiswaythatway]

I'm a 2C++ nut hugger. I really hoped the JP2C was going to sound better, then I would have sold off my 2C++. I go by my ear, not my wallet.

With that said, I have a boogie rack that absolutely crushes. I almost don't need my amp heads anymore.

What'd ya get a Quad Preamp? One of those with a 2:90's is a great setup.

 

[NewWorldMan]

I think they all sound good. I tend to prefer the C+ in my stash to the other variations. Lots of comparisons for sure. I still currently have a C+, C++, a pair of IV (A)'s, etc. I've had just about everything imaginable, so I won't even bother listing it all.

That said, I'd recommend dialing in the amps to sound their best and not trying to set the knobs the same. The EQ sits a little different in the ++ than on the +, the input gain is higher, the etc. My point is if you dial in 1 of the 3 how you want it and then try to dial in the other 2 the same, that first one is probably going to sound the best to you because you dialed it to sound great, then set the others up when the settings won't be 1:1. Don't worry about the settings being the same. Dial them all in individually to sound their best and compare. Using similar settings will leave 2 at a disadvantage.