Mark Morton Tweets Never Into Mark V, Switched To Royal Atl.

[petejt]

As for Mark Morton, I feel quite sure that a "Tweet" about disliking something Mesa endorses him to use in favor of a different Mesa product is still not something Randall likes to see. They had a hard enough time forcing the Mark V on them. I quite liked the Mark V, but it was nothing like a IIC+, III or IV. Mark IV endorsed players I think agree, since they all carry around the Mark IV's still.

But, my opinion, and I don't know shit.....

Steve

Well, I know for a fact that John Petrucci still toured/tours with his MarkIV amps. I was at one of his clinics nearly 2 years ago, when the MarkV came out. He was using the MarkV at the clinic (it sounded a little muddy to me), but when I asked him about the MarkIV he said that he loves them, and still tours with them- even said he was using them onstage for Dream Theatre. (I went and saw Fleetwood Mac instead that night- where Lindsey Buckingham was using Rectos onstage).

I heard the MarkV elsewhere as well and while it's okay, I was not convinced at all to replace my MarkIV with a MarkV. I thought it was really foolish when I read MarkIV owners were giving them up just to get the MarkV, on words alone.


I think Mark or anyone else should be free to say whatever they want. And anyway, he's still promoting Mesa/Boogie by using the Royal Atlantic, AND his MarkIV which he's been using for years. It's not like he's completely jumping ship!

 

[stephen sawall]

The Recto was fathered by the SLO.

... and part of the SLO comes from the Mark amps ....

.... and yes the Marks are just modified Fenders

 

[fluff191]

... and part of the SLO comes from the Mark amps ....

Never heard that before.

 

[stephen sawall]

... and part of the SLO comes from the Mark amps ....

Never heard that before.

Mike told me that in 95 ....when I was at the shop and we were discussing how he came to building the SLO and him doing a mod on my Tremoverb. Very little is all that original .....no matter what you are talking about ~ cars, amps, etc ...

 

[fluff191]

Mike told me that in 95 ....when I was at the shop and we were discussing how he came to building the SLO and him doing a mod on my Tremoverb. Very little is all that original .....no matter what you are talking about ~ cars, amps, etc ...

Wow too cool!!

And you are right. Rarely is anything totally original.

 

[steve_k]

The Fender Bassman fathered them all....

 

[headlessdeadguy]

The Fender Bassman fathered them all....

Hello captain obvious. lol

 

[steve_k]

Captain Obvious ?

 

[311boogieman]

Too bad RCA didn't get into the amp market back then.

I think Mesa is already at the point of dilution.

That said, I really liked the Electra Dyne when I played and I am looking forward to playing a RA.

 

[some dude]

Mike told me that in 95 ....when I was at the shop and we were discussing how he came to building the SLO and him doing a mod on my Tremoverb. Very little is all that original .....no matter what you are talking about ~ cars, amps, etc ...

A Soldano modded Recto seems kind of odd.

Kind of like a Chevy hotrodded by Ford Motor Company.

 

[stephen sawall]

The Fender Bassman fathered them all....

Hello captain obvious. lol

Who just copied the GE stuff...5F6A

 

[steve_k]

The Fender Bassman fathered them all....

Hello captain obvious. lol

Who just copied the GE stuff...5F6A

obviously

 

[Shiny_Surface]

Too bad RCA didn't get into the amp market back then.

I think Mesa is already at the point of dilution.

I agree.

They are just trying to follow market trends and hoping a new design hits the jackpot. Very different landscape on the market now.

Even a well received new line may not have the same potential market share since it's so much more fragmented out there compared to the past. But their financial team probably took this into account and projected an " if x amount" sell in the 2011 market to consider them successful/profitable enough to keep producing them.

 

[kiff]

I've owned all the Mark Series from IIC+ to V. Liked them all.

I use a IV but I have a IIC that needs some work and I was thinking of having it converted to a +. just wondering, and I've heard varying opinions on this, how you would compare the high gain side of the IIC+ to the IV's.

IV - more refined, a little more compressed, a little more hi-fi sounding, very smooth. R2 is useless.

IIC+. A little more raw, less compression, slightly less gain. Very alive sounding. The EQ wasn't as sensitive I thought, I could set the 750hz slider at the same point as the one on the IV and the Mark IV would sound a lot more scooped.

yea, that seems to be the consensus. I guess this is what I'm wondering: At times, even though the IV is high gain/compressed, when fast picking scales it can be somewhat unforgiving. It almost seems to depend on the room or cab, but unlike most high gain amps/rigs I've played, instead of "grabbing onto" the notes it almost seems to deflect them. So, in case you've experienced the same thing and despite having a little less gain, does the IIC+ do the same thing?

 

[Gooseman]

I've owned all the Mark Series from IIC+ to V. Liked them all.

I use a IV but I have a IIC that needs some work and I was thinking of having it converted to a +. just wondering, and I've heard varying opinions on this, how you would compare the high gain side of the IIC+ to the IV's.

IV - more refined, a little more compressed, a little more hi-fi sounding, very smooth. R2 is useless.

IIC+. A little more raw, less compression, slightly less gain. Very alive sounding. The EQ wasn't as sensitive I thought, I could set the 750hz slider at the same point as the one on the IV and the Mark IV would sound a lot more scooped.

yea, that seems to be the consensus. I guess this is what I'm wondering: At times, even though the IV is high gain/compressed, when fast picking scales it can be somewhat unforgiving. It almost seems to depend on the room or cab, but unlike most high gain amps/rigs I've played, instead of "grabbing onto" the notes it almost seems to deflect them. So, in case you've experienced the same thing and despite having a little less gain, does the IIC+ do the same thing?

I've noticed that all amps I've played tended to sound shady back when I didn't spend enough time putting in the time to hone my craft as a guitarist. Nowadays, I can really make any amp I come across sing the way I want it to, more or less. The only problem is finding an amp that inspires me to play electric guitar. I haven't run into the whole "deflecting notes" thing, but I can imagine it nevertheless. Probably has a bit to do with skill level and time with an amp though. The RA is nice in that it really has a great fat clean tone (less Fender Twin on steroids ala the Lonestar, more Deluxe Reverb on steroids) and a very MUSICAL crunch section. Musical is the best way I can describe it. It doesn't hide mistakes though. It isn't that compressed and the high gain is very transparent.

 

[kiff]

I've owned all the Mark Series from IIC+ to V. Liked them all.

I use a IV but I have a IIC that needs some work and I was thinking of having it converted to a +. just wondering, and I've heard varying opinions on this, how you would compare the high gain side of the IIC+ to the IV's.

IV - more refined, a little more compressed, a little more hi-fi sounding, very smooth. R2 is useless.

IIC+. A little more raw, less compression, slightly less gain. Very alive sounding. The EQ wasn't as sensitive I thought, I could set the 750hz slider at the same point as the one on the IV and the Mark IV would sound a lot more scooped.

yea, that seems to be the consensus. I guess this is what I'm wondering: At times, even though the IV is high gain/compressed, when fast picking scales it can be somewhat unforgiving. It almost seems to depend on the room or cab, but unlike most high gain amps/rigs I've played, instead of "grabbing onto" the notes it almost seems to deflect them. So, in case you've experienced the same thing and despite having a little less gain, does the IIC+ do the same thing?

I haven't run into the whole "deflecting notes" thing, but I can imagine it nevertheless. Probably has a bit to do with skill level and time with an amp though.

it's not really a technique thing, it's more of a dynamics thing where it seems like, on certain notes, the pick attack and the crunching of the note seem to diverge. It could be the resonance of those notes mixing bad with eq'ing or the compression. I'm not looking to use gain to cover up slop, I'd prefer a clean sound at that point, as far as illustrating technique. I guess it's like when you're playing a crappy amp with a muddy half-ass overdrive and it sounds muddy/sloppy no matter how clean you're playing. I'm not accusing the IV of that, it's an awesome amp, but it seems like it has an element of that at times.

 

[blackba]

it's not really a technique thing, it's more of a dynamics thing where it seems like, on certain notes, the pick attack and the crunching of the note seem to diverge. It could be the resonance of those notes mixing bad with eq'ing or the compression. I'm not looking to use gain to cover up slop, I'd prefer a clean sound at that point, as far as illustrating technique. I guess it's like when you're playing a crappy amp with a muddy half-ass overdrive and it sounds muddy/sloppy no matter how clean you're playing. I'm not accusing the IV of that, it's an awesome amp, but it seems like there's time it has an element of that at times.

Never really run into what you are describing with my mark IVA, but you did mention that it depends on the speakers/cab, so maybe that is it...

 

[thiswaythatway]

Mike told me that in 95 ....when I was at the shop and we were discussing how he came to building the SLO and him doing a mod on my Tremoverb. Very little is all that original .....no matter what you are talking about ~ cars, amps, etc ...

Wow too cool!!

And you are right. Rarely is anything totally original.

This is pretty original, although 100% useless.

 

[stephen sawall]

How Marshall/Hiwatt/Orange/whatever(?) is the Lo ?
How close can it get to a single channel 800 ?

I am sure the Hi/clean are covered .... but I am most interested in the middle ground.

 

[snowdog]

No Doubt the MKV would have been more successful if it didn't claim to be a MKI,MKIV and the elusive MKIIC+ all rolled onto one, a feat that proved impossible even for their creator.