Marshall Silver Jubilee or Soldano SLO

[stephen sawall]

SLO

I do not like the Silver Jubilee's distortion very much.

Did you get a chance to crank the amp up?

Yes I did ..... I was in a band for two years in the late 80's where the other guitar player had a full stack. I sleep in the band room 3 feet from it for months and have used it in the studio. Have played thru many of them over the years. I know the amp very well and heard it blasting almost all the time I have been around them.

I am just not a fan of any amp I have tried that has diode clipping as part of it's sound. They are alright ..... but not my taste. I still have pedals around that are diode clipping based ..... but I do not use them much.

1. 1950's Fender "tweeds", 1960's Marshalls
in----G1---------volume----G2----EQ-------------------->

2. 1960's Fender "blackface" normal channel
in----G1---EQ---volume----G2--------------------------->

3. 1+2: 1960's Fender "blackface" reverb channel
in----G1---EQ---volume----G2--RESISTOR--G3----->

4. 1970's and 1980's Mesa-Boogie lead channel
in----G1---EQ---volume---G2--------------G3----G4-----------------------master volume--->
in----G1---EQ---volume----G2--------------G3----G4----G5----------------master volume--->

6. 1970's Marshall Master Volume
in----G1---------volume----G2----------------G3---------------------EQ---master volume--->

7. Early JCM-800's with diode clipping
in----G1---EQ---gain---G2---DIODES---volume--G3--loop--Phase Inverter---master volume--->

8. Later JCM-800's, and JCM-900's with diode clipping (diodes in rectifier circuit)
in----G1---------volume----G2---DIODES----G3-------------------------EQ---master volume--->

9. Bogner "FISH" preamp (Brown Channel)
Marshall 30th Anniversary (Lead Channel)
in----G1---------volume----G2--------------G3----G4----------------EQ---master volume--->

10.Soldano lead channel
in---G1---------volume----G2--------------G3----G4----G5---------EQ---master volume--->

11.Peavey EVH 5150
in---G1---------volume----G2--------------G3----G4-----G5---G6---EQ---master volume--->

This is from .....

http://www.gigscentral.com/Guitar/guita ... ution.html

 

[Marshall Freak]

so continue to buy and run a SLO for the $3,000k price tag. ill enjoy the same tone at a fraction of the price and still have road worthy reliability

In your opinion of course.

 

[glpg80]

so continue to buy and run a SLO for the $3,000k price tag. ill enjoy the same tone at a fraction of the price and still have road worthy reliability

In your opinion of course.

thats all it is in the end. take it for what its worth - nothing or something

 

[zee1usa]

SLO100

 

[zuel69]

You still get what you pay for...oh yea and all the rhetoric after the +1. It's all cool, none of this should be a can of worms...Wile E. Coyote never did catch the Road Runner.

You need to try another SLO, hydrox cookies are not oreos...you like what you like and thats fine, it's just that most people will not agree on your opinion which you so humbly throw around.

he asked for my opinion. so i gave it. read the original reply, and all i said was "+1"

tell me how +1 is so humblingly being thrown around.

hell, i didnt even suggest not choosing either of the OP's amplifiers. someone else did. i was going to my opinion to myself because its not worth fighting over - hence my +1 reply. but someone went the extra mile to wonder why i said it - so the can of worms was opened.

if you dont like my opinion you dont have to. i respect the SLO's strong points, but there are plenty other weak's and im not the only one on the board that agrees with this - especially for the money.

so continue to buy and run a SLO for the $3,000k price tag. ill enjoy the same tone at a fraction of the price and still have road worthy reliability

 

[johnnyjellybean]

so continue to buy and run a SLO for the $3,000k price tag. ill enjoy the same tone at a fraction of the price and still have road worthy reliability

I don't know what road you've been on........... but a 5150 is NOT very roadworthy and I say that from experience. Tubes sitting right on PCB's don't do well when on the road. I'm not talking about your weekend local bar gig either.

 

[glpg80]

so continue to buy and run a SLO for the $3,000k price tag. ill enjoy the same tone at a fraction of the price and still have road worthy reliability

I don't know what road you've been on........... but a 5150 is NOT very roadworthy and I say that from experience. Tubes sitting right on PCB's don't do well when on the road. I'm not talking about your weekend local bar gig either.

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then your talking about 5150 III's and about every single other marshall, vox, and insert model here amplifier made on the market today. because unless someone is hand building them - they arent chassis mounted sockets.

5150's not having roadworthy reliability? there is a new one on me. i have seen it myself a 5150 fall off a cabinet, get dinged up pretty bad, but still turn right on and keep on going. was my buddies old model.

i have not had a problem with my 5150 II. but i know people who have from the factory, and it was only poor soldering skills on the newer models.

i had a tube problem with my EVH block letter once warming up before i played a talent show - was also playing for 2 churches and had band practices to attend. other than that i have not had an issue.

as for 5150's = you have gator traps holding the tubes down. and the preamp tubes are being held horizontally in place with a plate. not much can go on as long as you treat it like a tube amplifier with a little respect. throw it in the back of a truck and treat it like a brick then yes - you are asking for trouble. if you are that bad on equipment you should have a roadcase anyway.

 

[johnnyjellybean]

so continue to buy and run a SLO for the $3,000k price tag. ill enjoy the same tone at a fraction of the price and still have road worthy reliability

I don't know what road you've been on........... but a 5150 is NOT very roadworthy and I say that from experience. Tubes sitting right on PCB's don't do well when on the road. I'm not talking about your weekend local bar gig either.

then your talking about 5150 III's and about every single other marshall, vox, and insert model here amplifier made on the market today. because unless someone is hand building them - they arent chassis mounted sockets.

5150's not having roadworthy reliability? there is a new one on me. i have seen it myself a 5150 fall off a cabinet, get dinged up pretty bad, but still turn right on and keep on going. was my buddies old model.

i have not had a problem with my 5150 II. but i know people who have from the factory, and it was only poor soldering skills on the newer models.

i had a tube problem with my EVH block letter once warming up before i played a talent show - was also playing for 2 churches and had band practices to attend. other than that i have not had an issue.

as for 5150's = you have gator traps holding the tubes down. and the preamp tubes are being held horizontally in place with a plate. not much can go on as long as you treat it like a tube amplifier with a little respect. throw it in the back of a truck and treat it like a brick then yes - you are asking for trouble. if you are that bad on equipment you should have a roadcase anyway.

Cracks in the PCB's for one......... Talk to me when you start doing 200+ gigs a year in a different town every night. Nothing against a 5150. Like I said, I had one as a cheap spare to my 1st SLO. Eventually I just bought a 2nd SLO. Don't get me wrong the old 5150's were great bang 4 the $ but don't compare them to an amp that's built to military spec with tolerances of 2%. Both my1st SLO and my 1st 5150 (yes I had more than 1!) were in a truck accident where the tractor/trailer flipped. They were both in the same road case. The 5150 didn't survive. The SLO........ I replaced all the shattered power tubes and played it at the gig that night without a glitch........ bent transformers and all!

 

[glpg80]

You still get what you pay for...

i only wish this was true.

just because the cost increases does not mean quality, craftmanship, design, reliability, and availability go up with it.

it may or may not be better (opinion) but it will be different (fact)

you are gambling that price = guarantee which is never the case.

what you do have to pay attention to is the amount of attention to detail by the designer and weigh negatives versus positives.

how much attention to detail and how much time versus how much money is all up to you. be it cars, circuits/electronics, computers, software, housing, etc. it is all up to you.

so you get what you pay for is an assumption. not a fact.

 

[glpg80]

so continue to buy and run a SLO for the $3,000k price tag. ill enjoy the same tone at a fraction of the price and still have road worthy reliability

I don't know what road you've been on........... but a 5150 is NOT very roadworthy and I say that from experience. Tubes sitting right on PCB's don't do well when on the road. I'm not talking about your weekend local bar gig either.

then your talking about 5150 III's and about every single other marshall, vox, and insert model here amplifier made on the market today. because unless someone is hand building them - they arent chassis mounted sockets.

5150's not having roadworthy reliability? there is a new one on me. i have seen it myself a 5150 fall off a cabinet, get dinged up pretty bad, but still turn right on and keep on going. was my buddies old model.

i have not had a problem with my 5150 II. but i know people who have from the factory, and it was only poor soldering skills on the newer models.

i had a tube problem with my EVH block letter once warming up before i played a talent show - was also playing for 2 churches and had band practices to attend. other than that i have not had an issue.

as for 5150's = you have gator traps holding the tubes down. and the preamp tubes are being held horizontally in place with a plate. not much can go on as long as you treat it like a tube amplifier with a little respect. throw it in the back of a truck and treat it like a brick then yes - you are asking for trouble. if you are that bad on equipment you should have a roadcase anyway.

Cracks in the PCB's for one......... Talk to me when you start doing 200+ gigs a year in a different town every night. Nothing against a 5150. Like I said, I had one as a cheap spare to my 1st SLO. Eventually I just bought a 2nd SLO. Don't get me wrong the old 5150's were great bang 4 the $ but don't compare them to an amp that's built to military spec with tolerances of 2%. Both my1st SLO and my 1st 5150 (yes I had more than 1!) were in a truck accident where the tractor/trailer flipped. They were both in the same road case. The 5150 didn't survive. The SLO........ I replaced all the shattered power tubes and played it at the gig that night without a glitch........ bent transformers and all!

answer me this.

how many people go to the store and look for an amplifier that can withstand an EMP attack, a solar wave, or a car crash?

i can guarantee you that your vehicle, TV, the power stations, and all other electro-mechanical devices including your cell phone would not work. but hey, your amplifier would if you had a generator!

to me i would be more worried about the people in the car, then the truck which costs more than the amplifier, and then the amplifier last.

im glad you are OK and the soldano is alright - but even the CCV and fortin's amplifiers are made on PCB material. if you were not in the wreck, you would not have had a problem. you cant blame the 5150 for being busted. hell people have been killed in vehicle accidents.

 

[zuel69]

I'm glad your back.. Your posts are entertaining thats for damn sure.
Hell, I hope you get into law or politics.

You still get what you pay for...

i only wish this was true.

just because the cost increases does not mean quality, craftmanship, design, reliability, and availability go up with it.

it may or may not be better (opinion) but it will be different (fact)

you are gambling that price = guarantee which is never the case.

what you do have to pay attention to is the amount of attention to detail by the designer and weigh negatives versus positives.

how much attention to detail and how much time versus how much money is all up to you. be it cars, circuits/electronics, computers, software, housing, etc. it is all up to you.

so you get what you pay for is an assumption. not a fact.

 

[glpg80]

I'm glad your back.. Your posts are entertaining thats for damn sure.
Hell, I hope you get into law or politics.

i have seen many people pay alot of money only to get screwed - but how badly depends on how bad their decision was to weigh x product or service to x amount of cash value.

it is what it is

 

[johnnyjellybean]

so continue to buy and run a SLO for the $3,000k price tag. ill enjoy the same tone at a fraction of the price and still have road worthy reliability

I don't know what road you've been on........... but a 5150 is NOT very roadworthy and I say that from experience. Tubes sitting right on PCB's don't do well when on the road. I'm not talking about your weekend local bar gig either.

then your talking about 5150 III's and about every single other marshall, vox, and insert model here amplifier made on the market today. because unless someone is hand building them - they arent chassis mounted sockets.

5150's not having roadworthy reliability? there is a new one on me. i have seen it myself a 5150 fall off a cabinet, get dinged up pretty bad, but still turn right on and keep on going. was my buddies old model.

i have not had a problem with my 5150 II. but i know people who have from the factory, and it was only poor soldering skills on the newer models.

i had a tube problem with my EVH block letter once warming up before i played a talent show - was also playing for 2 churches and had band practices to attend. other than that i have not had an issue.

as for 5150's = you have gator traps holding the tubes down. and the preamp tubes are being held horizontally in place with a plate. not much can go on as long as you treat it like a tube amplifier with a little respect. throw it in the back of a truck and treat it like a brick then yes - you are asking for trouble. if you are that bad on equipment you should have a roadcase anyway.

Cracks in the PCB's for one......... Talk to me when you start doing 200+ gigs a year in a different town every night. Nothing against a 5150. Like I said, I had one as a cheap spare to my 1st SLO. Eventually I just bought a 2nd SLO. Don't get me wrong the old 5150's were great bang 4 the $ but don't compare them to an amp that's built to military spec with tolerances of 2%. Both my1st SLO and my 1st 5150 (yes I had more than 1!) were in a truck accident where the tractor/trailer flipped. They were both in the same road case. The 5150 didn't survive. The SLO........ I replaced all the shattered power tubes and played it at the gig that night without a glitch........ bent transformers and all!

answer me this.

how many people go to the store and look for an amplifier that can withstand an EMP attack, a solar wave, or a car crash?

i can guarantee you that your vehicle, TV, the power stations, and all other electro-mechanical devices including your cell phone would not work. but hey, your amplifier would if you had a generator!

to me i would be more worried about the people in the car, then the truck which costs more than the amplifier, and then the amplifier last.

im glad you are OK and the soldano is alright - but even the CCV and fortin's amplifiers are made on PCB material. if you were not in the wreck, you would not have had a problem. you cant blame the 5150 for being busted. hell people have been killed in vehicle accidents.

First of all , I was traveling on the tour bus and not traveling in the semi with the gear but thanks for the concern . 2nd of all Neither the CCV or any Fortin have the tubes sitting directly on the PCB board which is what I'm getting at. Even the SLO is PCB but all the amps mentioned have tube sockets attached to the chassis except for the 5150 which has them sitting directly on the pcb board like every other "cost saving" cheapo amp out there.The cracked PCB's weren't from the accident . There were from changing tubes in and out and the every day wear and tear of the road. The PCB material itself is about 1/2 the thickness of the SLO. As I said before, the 5150 is good bang for the buck but don't compare it to a SLO.

I was touring with both back as far back as 1989. Where were you?

( actually 1992 for the 5150 now that I think about it)

 

[zuel69]

He was barely born, but hey he is Wile E. Coyote...Super Genious. For an electronic guru this kid should know what your talking about.

so continue to buy and run a SLO for the $3,000k price tag. ill enjoy the same tone at a fraction of the price and still have road worthy reliability

I don't know what road you've been on........... but a 5150 is NOT very roadworthy and I say that from experience. Tubes sitting right on PCB's don't do well when on the road. I'm not talking about your weekend local bar gig either.

then your talking about 5150 III's and about every single other marshall, vox, and insert model here amplifier made on the market today. because unless someone is hand building them - they arent chassis mounted sockets.

5150's not having roadworthy reliability? there is a new one on me. i have seen it myself a 5150 fall off a cabinet, get dinged up pretty bad, but still turn right on and keep on going. was my buddies old model.

i have not had a problem with my 5150 II. but i know people who have from the factory, and it was only poor soldering skills on the newer models.

i had a tube problem with my EVH block letter once warming up before i played a talent show - was also playing for 2 churches and had band practices to attend. other than that i have not had an issue.

as for 5150's = you have gator traps holding the tubes down. and the preamp tubes are being held horizontally in place with a plate. not much can go on as long as you treat it like a tube amplifier with a little respect. throw it in the back of a truck and treat it like a brick then yes - you are asking for trouble. if you are that bad on equipment you should have a roadcase anyway.

Cracks in the PCB's for one......... Talk to me when you start doing 200+ gigs a year in a different town every night. Nothing against a 5150. Like I said, I had one as a cheap spare to my 1st SLO. Eventually I just bought a 2nd SLO. Don't get me wrong the old 5150's were great bang 4 the $ but don't compare them to an amp that's built to military spec with tolerances of 2%. Both my1st SLO and my 1st 5150 (yes I had more than 1!) were in a truck accident where the tractor/trailer flipped. They were both in the same road case. The 5150 didn't survive. The SLO........ I replaced all the shattered power tubes and played it at the gig that night without a glitch........ bent transformers and all!

answer me this.

how many people go to the store and look for an amplifier that can withstand an EMP attack, a solar wave, or a car crash?

i can guarantee you that your vehicle, TV, the power stations, and all other electro-mechanical devices including your cell phone would not work. but hey, your amplifier would if you had a generator!

to me i would be more worried about the people in the car, then the truck which costs more than the amplifier, and then the amplifier last.

im glad you are OK and the soldano is alright - but even the CCV and fortin's amplifiers are made on PCB material. if you were not in the wreck, you would not have had a problem. you cant blame the 5150 for being busted. hell people have been killed in vehicle accidents.

First of all , I was traveling on the tour bus and not traveling in the semi with the gear but thanks for the concern . 2nd of all Neither the CCV or any Fortin have the tubes sitting directly on the PCB board which is what I'm getting at. Even the SLO is PCB but all the amps mentioned have tube sockets attached to the chassis except for the 5150 which has them sitting directly on the pcb board like every other "cost saving" cheapo amp out there.The cracked PCB's weren't from the accident . There were from changing tubes in and out and the every day wear and tear of the road. The PCB material itself is about 1/2 the thickness of the SLO. As I said before, the 5150 is good bang for the buck but don't compare it to a SLO.

I was touring with both back as far back as 1989. Where were you?

 

[johnnyjellybean]

He was barely born, but hey he is Wile E. Coyote...Super Genious. For an electronic guru this kid should know what your talking about.

I was just trying to qualify the word he used .... "roadworthy"

 

[glpg80]

to the OP - i appologize for hijacking the hell out of this thread.

and to Johnny - im glad your music is successful and that you have plenty of shows and also plenty of awards.

but i dont plan on playing music to get famous. not what im put here on earth to do.

but even if i did have the money to float for a SLO - i still wouldnt choose it as an amplifier to take on gigs with me.

a 5150 II has a tone. just like any other amplifier. if my 5150 had a cracked board? id be sad for a while, and then i would save for another - even if insurance allowed for the purchase of a SLO which inspired the 5150 series.

and you keep saying dont compare it to a SLO.

ill compare it to any amplifier i please.

according to your point of view, you have a point of view and a preference to the tone of a SLO. because im only saying my opinion which is based on events that have occured in my past and im sharing those opinions on a musical forum which is legal in all 50 states.

tone is tone and a circuit is a circuit regardless of construction. if i wanted a SLO i would be playing one right now - i gave it a fair chance and it did not deliver. reliability rides second to tone in amplifiers. i would not purchase something i was not content with - only because it was built well.

it goes back to my post above ^ mentioning consumer choice to weigh value versus what the product delivers.

as for the amp guru comment - electronics wise i know enough that i have helped plenty of people on the boards, made plenty of comments that are factual and do so without making it hard to understand. for the ones i have helped on the forum, which there are plenty, they are more than welcome to speak out and say so if they please. i dont flaunt because i have no need to and its not right.

my appologies go out to the OP once more.

 

[johnnyjellybean]

a 5150 II has a tone. just like any other amplifier. if my 5150 had a cracked board? id be sad for a while, and then i would save for another - even if insurance allowed for the purchase of a SLO which inspired the 5150 series.

and you keep saying dont compare it to a SLO.

ill compare it to any amplifier i please.

according to your point of view, you have a point of view and a preference to the tone of a SLO. because im only saying my opinion which is based on events that have occured in my past and im sharing those opinions on a musical forum which is legal in all 50 states.

You missed the whole point. I never said anything about the tone. The fact that I owned 2 5150's says heaps about what I think of the tone of a 5150. It is the use of the word "roadworthy" that I completelly disagree with. In the aspects of construction, build quality and roadworthiness, the 2 amps don't compare in the least and because your lack of experience on the road, you can't possibly make a comparison in those respects and call your 5150 "roadworthy"

 

[glpg80]

a 5150 II has a tone. just like any other amplifier. if my 5150 had a cracked board? id be sad for a while, and then i would save for another - even if insurance allowed for the purchase of a SLO which inspired the 5150 series.

and you keep saying dont compare it to a SLO.

ill compare it to any amplifier i please.

according to your point of view, you have a point of view and a preference to the tone of a SLO. because im only saying my opinion which is based on events that have occured in my past and im sharing those opinions on a musical forum which is legal in all 50 states.

You missed the whole point. I never said anything about the tone. The fact that I owned 2 5150's says heaps about what I think of the tone of a 5150. It is the use of the word "roadworthy" that I completelly disagree with. In the aspects of construction, build quality and roadworthiness, the 2 amps don't compare in the least and because your lack of experience, you can't possibly make a comparison in those respects and call your 5150 "roadworthy"

im not calling my 5150 roadworthy. im calling 5150's in general worthy enough for normal unsigned people who dont have 53 foot trailers full of PA gear and guitar gear and a hall of fame trophie under their belt and having to flaunt it all to make my opinion false in all regards. you are also forgetting that the amplifiers do not cost the same.

for the price, you get plenty with the 5150 enough that it can hang for the normal studio guys and most other people that are on this forum.

why?

because people like carl roa, yourself, lynch, and others might need the road worthyness and that no chance guilt about construction. but no one else on this board is changing tubes every 3 weeks.

that is a fact. get my drift?

so for the normal people - get the 5150 II and invest in it a little bit. because you come close enough that it still rocks foundations and has plenty to offer compared to a SLO.

for the people who have hall of fame trophies and gig 200+ times a year you might want to consider otherwise.

 

[johnnyjellybean]

You said this earlier

so continue to buy and run a SLO for the $3,000k price tag. ill enjoy the same tone at a fraction of the price and still have road worthy reliability

and now you're saying this?.....

im not calling my 5150 roadworthy.

You're eating crow on that one junior.

I'm outa here


PS....

and a hall of fame trophie under their belt and having to flaunt it

I have it to flaunt!

 

[Shiny_Surface]

2nd of all Neither the CCV or any Fortin have the tubes sitting directly on the PCB board which is what I'm getting at. Even the SLO is PCB but all the amps mentioned have tube sockets attached to the chassis except for the 5150 which has them sitting directly on the pcb board like every other "cost saving" cheapo amp out there.

I would love to see a gut shot of a CCV, it's general exterior design looks loosely based on an XTC which has board mounted sockets.

Any CCV owners want to pull their chassis to confirm?