Metro 68 Plexi series 12 vid

[Zachman]

My 2 cents...

It's more the gear(guitar, amp) then the player.

Agreed... When I was in high school in '81 and got my 1st MK series Boogie, I was able to get Santana tone, despite the fact that my technique was crap, because the gear was the right gear for the job. I didn't have the same tone with my previous '76 Super Lead, or Yamaha G100-210, or prior to that Fender Princeton Reverb, and I had the same fingers.

 

[70strathead]

I used to like the extremely fat Dunlop jazz picks, thinking well I dig in, so I better use these monster picks that are really hard.
Even though I dig in pretty hard still, I recently started liking the sound and feel of medium to light picks (just this year), so that doesn't really surprise me. They wear out pretty fast though.

Now this is finally getting interesting. I always thought that the guys with the ligt touch sounded way better. I' a fucking lumberjack, and for the longest time i drove me up the wall. Like playing a vibroverb, or even worse a Dumble style amp the thing would just konk out under heavy attack.

What I find interesting is that players like EVH and Pat Metheny use very light picks and unorthodox picking style and still manage to have a unique beauty on the sound. They both play behind the beats and swing hard...I use surfboards for picks, 1.5m and I noticed when I pick up a light pick, i want to play more behind the beat with a swing feel. wierd...

 

[degenaro]

I used to like the extremely fat Dunlop jazz picks, thinking well I dig in, so I better use these monster picks that are really hard.
Even though I dig in pretty hard still, I recently started liking the sound and feel of medium to light picks (just this year), so that doesn't really surprise me. They wear out pretty fast though.

Now this is finally getting interesting. I always thought that the guys with the ligt touch sounded way better. I' a fucking lumberjack, and for the longest time i drove me up the wall. Like playing a vibroverb, or even worse a Dumble style amp the thing would just konk out under heavy attack.

What I find interesting is that players like EVH and Pat Metheny use very light picks and unorthodox picking style and still manage to have a unique beauty on the sound. They both play behind the beats and swing hard...I use surfboards for picks, 1.5m and I noticed when I pick up a light pick, i want to play more behind the beat with a swing feel. wierd...

That's what I'm saying.

 

[defpearlpilot]

My 2 cents...

It's more the gear(guitar, amp) then the player.

Agreed... When I was in high school in '81 and got my 1st MK series Boogie, I was able to get Santana tone, despite the fact that my technique was crap, because the gear was the right gear for the job. I didn't have the same tone with my previous '76 Super Lead, or Yamaha G100-210, or prior to that Fender Princeton Reverb, and I had the same fingers.

I think the gear is important in the "feedback loop" that Ed is talking about. I had an SS amp that I started out with and I got better while playing with it. But once I got a Flextone(it was a step up for me at that time), I was inspired to play and got better faster because what I heard coming out of the amp was closer to what I heard on my favorite records. I definitely think that the player changes with the gear.

Fingers come into play with basic technique. And once you are above a certain level, it certainly becomes more about gear. It becomes much harder to tell the difference with just TONE when you have relatively equally talented players on the same amp. Their style will be evident regardless of the gear they are playing on. But I'd go one further and say that gear limits how good you can get not simply due to inspiration or lack thereof but because "crappier" amps won't let a players touch and finesse shine through.

 

[degenaro]

My 2 cents...

It's more the gear(guitar, amp) then the player.

Agreed... When I was in high school in '81 and got my 1st MK series Boogie, I was able to get Santana tone, despite the fact that my technique was crap, because the gear was the right gear for the job. I didn't have the same tone with my previous '76 Super Lead, or Yamaha G100-210, or prior to that Fender Princeton Reverb, and I had the same fingers.

I think the gear is important in the "feedback loop" that Ed is talking about. I had an SS amp that I started out with and I got better while playing with it. But once I got a Flextone(it was a step up for me at that time), I was inspired to play and got better faster because what I heard coming out of the amp was closer to what I heard on my favorite records. I definitely think that the player changes with the gear.

Fingers come into play with basic technique. And once you are above a certain level, it certainly becomes more about gear. It becomes much harder to tell the difference with just TONE when you have relatively equally talented players on the same amp. Their style will be evident regardless of the gear they are playing on. But I'd go one further and say that gear limits how good you can get not simply due to inspiration or lack thereof but because "crappier" amps won't let a players touch and finesse shine through.

I dunno about that, Shawn Lane used Westone pedals and Holmes SS amps on Powers Of Ten, bitchen playing and tone.
Also what is the certain level where it becomes more about gear?

 

[Shiny_Surface]

I think once a player gets to be in the "monster" class, their unique signature kind of overrides what gear they are playing through to a *certain* extent. When I listen to players like that, I tend to focus more on their playing and if they have "bad" tone (to me) I just make a mental footnote of it but I still enjoy the playing (in most cases)

 

[SQUAREHEAD]

I used to like the extremely fat Dunlop jazz picks, thinking well I dig in, so I better use these monster picks that are really hard.
Even though I dig in pretty hard still, I recently started liking the sound and feel of medium to light picks (just this year), so that doesn't really surprise me. They wear out pretty fast though.

Now this is finally getting interesting. I always thought that the guys with the ligt touch sounded way better. I' a fucking lumberjack, and for the longest time i drove me up the wall. Like playing a vibroverb, or even worse a Dumble style amp the thing would just konk out under heavy attack.

What I find interesting is that players like EVH and Pat Metheny use very light picks and unorthodox picking style and still manage to have a unique beauty on the sound. They both play behind the beats and swing hard...I use surfboards for picks, 1.5m and I noticed when I pick up a light pick, i want to play more behind the beat with a swing feel. wierd...

Ya... you live on the west coast tho.

 

[defpearlpilot]

I dunno about that, Shawn Lane used Westone pedals and Holmes SS amps on Powers Of Ten, bitchen playing and tone.
Also what is the certain level where it becomes more about gear?

Well, I have no idea about the quality of that gear, whether or not in general it's considered good. So an amount of perspective comes into play. Shawn Lane was an exceptional fusion player. Would I know a good fusion tone if I heard one? Probably not. My favorite guitar tone would have to be Def Leppard's Hysteria which was played through shitty Rocktron's(which I heard sound like shit normally). But I know that many people don't like the sound. Same thing for Pantera's tone. I love it. Lot's hate it. For the purposes of this thread, we're talking about VH's tone. The VH guys would tell you if it sounds good or not.

I think a decent player will be able to hold down chords properly and not go sharp or flat when playing single note stuff. I'd say being intermediate is good enough. Actually, a better way to answer that question is it becomes more about gear when you can tell the difference between this pickup vs that pickup, or this wood vs that wood, etc.

 

[Zachman]

Ya... you live on the west coast tho.

 

[Meathead]

I used to like the extremely fat Dunlop jazz picks, thinking well I dig in, so I better use these monster picks that are really hard.
Even though I dig in pretty hard still, I recently started liking the sound and feel of medium to light picks (just this year), so that doesn't really surprise me. They wear out pretty fast though.

Now this is finally getting interesting. I always thought that the guys with the ligt touch sounded way better. I' a fucking lumberjack, and for the longest time i drove me up the wall. Like playing a vibroverb, or even worse a Dumble style amp the thing would just konk out under heavy attack.

What I find interesting is that players like EVH and Pat Metheny use very light picks and unorthodox picking style and still manage to have a unique beauty on the sound. They both play behind the beats and swing hard...I use surfboards for picks, 1.5m and I noticed when I pick up a light pick, i want to play more behind the beat with a swing feel. wierd...

EVH is (was) a fantastic rhythm player...He grooved so hard, just amazing.

 

[Zachman]

I dunno about that, Shawn Lane used Westone pedals and Holmes SS amps on Powers Of Ten, bitchen playing and tone.
Also what is the certain level where it becomes more about gear?

Well, I have no idea about the quality of that gear, whether or not in general it's considered good. So an amount of perspective comes into play. Shawn Lane was an exceptional fusion player. Would I know a good fusion tone if I heard one? Probably not. My favorite guitar tone would have to be Def Leppard's Hysteria which was played through shitty Rocktron's(which I heard sound like shit normally). But I know that many people don't like the sound. Same thing for Pantera's tone. I love it. Lot's hate it. For the purposes of this thread, we're talking about VH's tone. The VH guys would tell you if it sounds good or not.

I think a decent player will be able to hold down chords properly and not go sharp or flat when playing single note stuff. I'd say being intermediate is good enough. Actually, a better way to answer that question is it becomes more about gear when you can tell the difference between this pickup vs that pickup, or this wood vs that wood, etc.

I agree w/ you. It IS true that the better of a player someone is, allows for them to finesse MORE tones out of a given lick, song, guitar etc..., but the amp has to have it (available tone core) available on tap in the 1st place, for it to finesseable, within a certain ball park- because a cracker is a cracker but a Ritz is a Ritz, and that is true no matter who is tasting it.

 

[Jeff Hilligan]

Does anyone know if this clip was with the volts at 400 or 500 via the switch?

 

[mentoneman]

Does anyone know if this clip was with the volts at 400 or 500 via the switch?

can bruce make my TOL channel 3 sound like that, while keeping ch 4 fat and eg4-like?

do i even have a TOL 100?

what's a TOL 100?

 

[Jeff Hilligan]

Pat...got the Mu metal for sheilding the transformer today...getting closer..I am keeping on him.

 

[Zachman]

Does anyone know if this clip was with the volts at 400 or 500 via the switch?

can bruce make my TOL channel 3 sound like that, while keeping ch 4 fat and eg4-like?

do i even have a TOL 100?

what's a TOL 100?

A lonely giant sitting on a bench unattended??? I sympathize, boy DO I sympathize.

 

[mentoneman]

Pat...got the Mu metal for sheilding the transformer today...getting closer..I am keeping on him.

thank you!

 

[mentoneman]

Does anyone know if this clip was with the volts at 400 or 500 via the switch?

can bruce make my TOL channel 3 sound like that, while keeping ch 4 fat and eg4-like?

do i even have a TOL 100?

what's a TOL 100?

A lonely giant sitting on a bench unattended??? I sympathize, boy DO I sympathize.

brah, i cannot even imagine having your patience!

bob should change his last name to dumble, and the book of Job could be renamed the book of zach!

 

[Zachman]

brah, i cannot even imagine having your patience!

bob should change his last name to dumble, and the book of Job could be renamed the book of zach!

Heh no, wouldn't want to trade places with that dude: Job

 

[degenaro]

Does anyone know if this clip was with the volts at 400 or 500 via the switch?

can bruce make my TOL channel 3 sound like that, while keeping ch 4 fat and eg4-like?

do i even have a TOL 100?

what's a TOL 100?

A lonely giant sitting on a bench unattended??? I sympathize, boy DO I sympathize.

Bradshaww still hasn't finished your stuff?!?!?!?!

 

[Zachman]

Bradshaww still hasn't finished your stuff?!?!?!?!

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