Need help deciphering a guitar wiring diagram

[pine]

The attached is for a Yamaha SA2200 guitar, and on page 4 it shows a diagram of the pickup wiring. There are 3 terminals shown on each pickup labelled "P" "E" and "C". Can anyone tell me what those letters mean?

Thanks for your time,
Pine

 

[Neeklaus]

random guess
P = Poles
E = Earth (Ground)
C = Coils

?????


seems like if you need to wire it up you shouldn't have any trouble though, that's a pretty detailed wiring diagram

 

[pine]

random guess
P = Poles
E = Earth (Ground)
C = Coils

?????


seems like if you need to wire it up you shouldn't have any trouble though, that's a pretty detailed wiring diagram

So if I replaced the pickups, and the newer pickups ha 4 wires (5 with the bare ground wire) then would the start or inside (hot and ground) wires go to the poles, and the finish go to the coils and ground to ground?

 

[Neeklaus]

nope, you are thinking about it backwards...you want to connect the wires coming FROM the pickup (modern pickups have a permanently attached set of wires) to the pots/switch/etc
not the wires coming from the electronics to connect to the pickup

does that make sense? I'm having a hard time wording what I'm trying to say lol

 

[BeZo]

P would prolly be hot.
E would prolly be ground.
C would prolly be the coils.

They prolly just ran the coils into each other and attached one wire to ground it out to cut out a coil to coil-tap.

Most new pickups have 4 wires so that you can do custom phasing. The wires for the out on one coil and the in of the other would almost always be wired together, unless you wanted to do some crazy shit with phasing. That way you have a hot, a ground (plus the shield), and the coil tap (2 wires attached together that can be drawn to ground to coil tap).

I was just guessing on their diagram. You can find others from pickup companys themselves if you want more help.

 

[pine]

nope, you are thinking about it backwards...you want to connect the wires coming FROM the pickup (modern pickups have a permanently attached set of wires) to the pots/switch/etc
not the wires coming from the electronics to connect to the pickup

does that make sense? I'm having a hard time wording what I'm trying to say lol

It does make sense, I was trying to save some time and grief by connecting the new pickup wires to the existing harness wires

 

[pine]

P would prolly be hot.
E would prolly be ground.
C would prolly be the coils.

They prolly just ran the coils into each other and attached one wire to ground it out to cut out a coil to coil-tap.

Most new pickups have 4 wires so that you can do custom phasing. The wires for the out on one coil and the in of the other would almost always be wired together, unless you wanted to do some crazy shit with phasing. That way you have a hot, a ground (plus the shield), and the coil tap (2 wires attached together that can be drawn to ground to coil tap).

I was just guessing on their diagram. You can find others from pickup companys themselves if you want more help.

The existing pickups are tapped, but in the diagram, instead of the two wires that normally would be connected together going to the middle lug of the switch on the push-pull pot, it shows one wire going to the middle lug and one to the lug closest to the pot (which I thought would have gone to ground). This is where I'm getting confused.

 

[BeZo]

P would prolly be hot.
E would prolly be ground.
C would prolly be the coils.

They prolly just ran the coils into each other and attached one wire to ground it out to cut out a coil to coil-tap.

Most new pickups have 4 wires so that you can do custom phasing. The wires for the out on one coil and the in of the other would almost always be wired together, unless you wanted to do some crazy shit with phasing. That way you have a hot, a ground (plus the shield), and the coil tap (2 wires attached together that can be drawn to ground to coil tap).

I was just guessing on their diagram. You can find others from pickup companys themselves if you want more help.

The existing pickups are tapped, but in the diagram, instead of the two wires that normally would be connected together going to the middle lug of the switch on the push-pull pot, it shows one wire going to the middle lug and one to the lug closest to the pot (which I thought would have gone to ground). This is where I'm getting confused.

The stock pickups use one wire joining the two coils rather than a wire for each coil. The reason there are normally a wire for each is so that you can do custom things. The stock pickups don't give you the option, because they just connect the circuit internally and connect a wire to that to ground for a coil tap.

Imagine a "V" where the wires come from 2 points and come together at the end of the wires. With 2 wires, you would ground out the point on the "V" to disconnect the other coil. On those pickups it is more like a "T". The two points are connected directly and a wire comes off of that to ground out for a coil tap. They just made it so that you can only coil tap the pickup how they want it, rather than having options to choose a coil and choose the phasing to do custom wiring jobs. They just made it simple.

Most people don't put goofy phase switches and coil selectors in their guitars. If they did, I'd get more business.