New "country" haters?

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amiller":2z5nsga4 said:
I guess I'm on the other side of it all. I really dislike old country. It always sounds like the music took a back seat to the singer. I really don't care for much of the new stuff either except that I hear some great guitar playing...that's something that's missing from mainstream rock radio now days. So, in a toss up, I'll listen to the new Country stuff just to hear the musicianship...you can keep the old Country stuff. :lol: :LOL:


I think we all get what "new country" is...hair country we call it lol. But what do you think is "old country"?

I like Buck Owens and Roy Clark....those guys are bad ass! Both (okay Roy at least ha....never put singing over music/playing. Roy was even a bit of a showboater!). Merle Haggard? Aforementioned Willie Nelson? Waylon Jennings? George Jones? Chet Atkins? All these guys played very well....and some even excelled....but it was a different time...when the music was a WHOLE...and not just guitar flash. A more modern example? Vince Gill. Plays like a motherfucker! But like I said...the SONG is more important to these guys than cocking it out on guitar.
 
What next, good Gerardo vs bad Gerardo? I mean Rico Suave sucks anyway you look at it no matter how good the guitar player was.
 
I like some of the classic country and some of the contemporary country as well.

Do you guys consider Blackberry Smoke country???

If so, I really like their new CD and the live show I saw on Palladia!
 
I view Keith Urban in more of a 70s AOR type style. ala the Eagles. I don't really see what the big deal is. If you don't like it, simply don't listen to it. I'm not a huge fan of all "modern" country music, but I like acts like Keith Urban, Brad Paisley, Rascal Flatts and Kenny Chesney. Most of these acts craft a well written song, and have better guitar tones that anything considered "rock" these days. I try to keep an open mind to music. I'm always looking for something to learn... in every style.
 
SFW":rv666civ said:
I view Keith Urban in more of a 70s AOR type style. ala the Eagles. I don't really see what the big deal is. If you don't like it, simply don't listen to it. I'm not a huge fan of all "modern" country music, but I like acts like Keith Urban, Brad Paisley, Rascal Flatts and Kenny Chesney. Most of these acts craft a well written song, and have better guitar tones that anything considered "rock" these days. I try to keep an open mind to music. I'm always looking for something to learn... in every style.

Absolutely. That's why I don't like nor listen to a lot of modern country.
Doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on it.
That's what we're all doing here, right, giving our opinion. :)

As I had said, though I decided to erase my previous post it wasn't necessary, I like Keith Urban as a musician, and as a guitar player.
I saw him on the show "cross roads" where he played with John Mayer. It was a great show, and they did songs from each others albums.
I agree that Urban isn't as bad as some modern country, and for me that's because he's a solid musician and can write good music.
It's not something I can listen to every day though.

Just because I may not like certain types of music in no way means I'm not open minded to music.
That's a false assumption. Just because someone may not like what you like doesn't then mean they are being "closed minded".
As long as you've given it a chance and assessed it based on what you like, then your opinion is valid.
Doesn't mean we have to agree
I still think the "masses" are quite simple minded. Doesn't make them bad people.
 
4406cuda":2mm0od89 said:
I like some of the classic country and some of the contemporary country as well.

Do you guys consider Blackberry Smoke country???

If so, I really like their new CD and the live show I saw on Palladia!

They're pretty good.
Southern Rock is what I would say they fit best.
Country elements, but more rock n roll.
 
BrokenFusion":2oe7lh0m said:
rupe":2oe7lh0m said:
The modern country scene is today's version of what hair metal was in the 80's...it's where the party is. Ever wondered what happened to all of the fun, groupies, craziness, etc that seemed to disappear in the early 90's? It came back as modern country. And just like 80's metal, there are a few good acts and a bunch of lame ones. As was mentioned, some of the guitar work is stellar.

Having been raised on classic rock and metal, I started gigging in the 80's and as a performer have done everything from the music I just mentioned, to thrash metal, to classic punk, to blues, to funk, to R&B. Fast forward to last summer when an old friend and fixture on the local rock scene asked me if I'd be interested in forming a cover band doing a mix of rock and modern country. Initially it was "no way!" but my blues rock band was having trouble keeping a steady lineup together and all the club owners kept telling me they wanted modern country...and I knew he was in a position where he needed the income so I eventually caved and agreed to do give it a shot.
I had never really listened to it (and still don't) but figured "how hard could it be?"...a lot harder than I anticipated. A lot of it is simple hard rock/metal with somebody singing about pickup trucks, keg parties in the woods, or catfish dinners in a redneck drawl, but a lot of it is very challenging with oddball changes, non-repeating riffs, and difficult vocal harmonies. The level of musicianship is very high in general. I absolutely hate the hip-hop/country stuff that's popping up garbage but we don't do any of that.

I've been called a "sell-out" by friends, but what have I sold out? I'm no longer in the game of trying to "make it" as a musician...that ship sailed a long time ago. I now play for fun, period. Playing live for me is fun. Playing live in front of packed houses who know all the songs and words and sing them back to you like it's a rock concert is even more fun...the energy in the room is off the charts every time and everywhere we play. Having to turn down gigs because of demand is a great problem to have. I still get to use some awesome guitar tones (twang? what's that? ;) ) and play a lot of ripping solos. I'll take that over doing Moore/Hendrix/Trower/Clapton/ZZ/SRV covers to a half full room of bikers and drunks watching you with their arms crossed or playing pool and bitching because we're too loud for them carry on a conversation.

Bottom line is that if you want to recapture some of the good time party atmosphere of the 80's (especially those of you who missed it and wish you could have been there), check out the modern country scene. I'm not a fan of the music myself (it's more fun to play than it is to listen to for me), but the overall scene in general offers a much better time than pretentious blues and jazz heads, or angry metal dudes, or shoe-gazing chugga chugga djent stuff, or just about any other music scene I can think of. I don't listen to it my spare time, but I get it.

Great post and agree 100%. To say country is contrived, fake BS designed to appeal to the masses is kind of dumb. You could say the same about Gansta Rap, Hip Hop, Black Metal, Nu Metal ect. I mean none of it is real!!
Whether it's a guy with an updside down cross on his face singing about satan, a guy with long hair and makeup in spandex playing a neon green guitar, a guy screaming like cookie monster about the pain in his life and playing in dropped B with his guitar around his ankles, a guy in tights singing falsetto about rainbows and demons, a gangsta and his crew in a convertible bouncing down the street, I mean is any of that much better than a hick singing about beer girls and tractors? Its all ridiculous when you break it down, and nothing is the same as it used to be. Deal with it.

In the end seems we agree. :)

I disagree that it's all ridiculous when you break it down. That's way cynical, and I'm a cynical person.
Most of the things you described are extremes of genre's.
No I don't think much of that is better or worse than singing about beer, girls, and tractors.
Doesn't mean you or I have to like or dislike it.
We still have our own likes and dislikes and are allowed to have them.
It doesn't have to be an all or nothing point of view.

If you don't think much of the "pop" varieties of country, rock, R&B, rap, etc... is contrived BS, cool, then we're looking at the same things differently.
I can still have a good time with beer, whisky, girls, and fast cars while listening to what sounds better to my ears.
Although at near 50 I still listen to rock music, mainly drink water, hang around lots of nieces and nephews, and still drive fast cars.
Not very RnR but I had my time. :)
 
C1-ocaster":2815n6hz said:
Although at near 50 I still listen to rock music, mainly drink water, hang around lots of nieces and nephews, and still drive fast cars.
Not very RnR but I had my time. :)

Sounds like we could hang out. :lol: :LOL:
 
I am not a fan of "pop" country, I love country guitar playing as far as guys like Hank Garland, Albert Lee, Brent Mason, James Burton, Johnny Highland and others are concerned. I favor 80s rock guitar but I like all kinds of guitar playing and try to learn a little bit of everything. I will say country guitar playing is hard when you get into hybrid picking if you have never done it before, because these cats play at lightning speed with their picks AND fingers

I enjoy listening to the old school country because it is REAL lyrically and musically and not this formula beer, tractor, she left me processed stuff. Here is my approved list

Merle Haggard
David Allen Coe
Hank Williams
Hank Williams Jr
Waylon Jennings
Willie Nelson
Johnny Cash
George Jones
George Straight
Johnny Paycheck
Conway Twitty

Here are some players I like

Ricky Skaggs
Vince Gill
and Alan Jackson because he has Brent Mason shredding away on his tunes.
 
My girlfriend is into modern country so I tolerate it. I know a lot of the musicians playing on this stuff are monster players but god the songs are generic.
 
BrokenFusion":uamqwnla said:
C1-ocaster":uamqwnla said:
Although at near 50 I still listen to rock music, mainly drink water, hang around lots of nieces and nephews, and still drive fast cars.
Not very RnR but I had my time. :)

Sounds like we could hang out. :lol: :LOL:

Here's to ya! :rock:
 
The Voice
American Idol
Prancing With the Stars
Anything on network TV

***THIS IS THE ANSWER TO ALL THE PROBLEMS***

No different than what MTV did in the 80's. Corporate rock - find a formula, and play it to DEATH. The sheeple will follow wherever you want them to go.
 
I just can't listen to most of the lyrical content of this new country no matter how good the guitar playing is on it
 
sivad...try "Tell Me"

Or "Maintenance Man"

clever lyrics....NOT "red solo cup".
 
SFW":1l426ev6 said:
I view Keith Urban in more of a 70s AOR type style. ala the Eagles. I don't really see what the big deal is. If you don't like it, simply don't listen to it. I'm not a huge fan of all "modern" country music, but I like acts like Keith Urban, Brad Paisley, Rascal Flatts and Kenny Chesney. Most of these acts craft a well written song, and have better guitar tones that anything considered "rock" these days. I try to keep an open mind to music. I'm always looking for something to learn... in every style.
Oh yes.

Guys like Brad Paisley, Vince Gill, Brent Mason, Keith Urban are monster pickers.
Great playing, great sound, great song writing.

Most "new country" is indeed just hard rock with twangy drawl vocals.
 
The playing doesn't matter when the songwriting is pure garbage, that those big-name players have little/nothing to do with.
 
Spaceboy":zarsmc2m said:
The playing doesn't matter when the songwriting is pure garbage, that those big-name players have little/nothing to do with.
That applies to every genre of music
 
As compared to death metal where you can't even hear or understand the Cookie Monster vocals .

I like the better songwriting. Kneel to satan, he will crush your soul, death embraces your cold dead body.

Now those a lyrics.

Ha!

I have noticed lots of liberals hate on new country for it having conservative leanings. Aside of the songs about getting drunk and screwing some chic, which all music types have loads of.

Or grunge, looking suicidal and staring at your shoes, screeching out how life sucks.

:lol: :LOL:

And what is wrong with Red Solo Cup for a party song? I'm Going Straight to Hell is another drunk ass party song.
 
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