riffsfordaze
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Do some folks repent in public while not truly giving a fuck in their heart? Seems as if they are not to hard to spot.
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Thumbpicker
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It's not an argument. Being hypocritical is just another sin. We are forgiven of our sins if we believe and repent, That means recognising that we aren't own god which is essentially what sin is all about. Not recognising Jesus ergo God and being your own god.
Thumbpicker
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Repentance is about turning away from sin. No one can do that perfectly. It's about your attitude more than anything and actions follow on from attitude. No one is even going to have a perfect attitude. This is what I meant about Christians realising how sinful they really are.
riffsfordaze
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What I was trying to say is God knows when you ask for forgiveness if you are sincere or not. Like you mentioned if it is sincere your attitude and actions will follow. At least on some level.
Bad Brain
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Seems to acknowledge, if not condone the practice.
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VonBonfire
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At the time the NT was written most societies still took slaves i.e Rome so it was acknowledging that people who were owned were to respect and love their masters. Not much different than saying obey the authorities. In a society where slaveholding is legal, the slave master is an authority.
Bad Brain
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Even if that interpretation is true, you're nonetheless validating the authority of a slaveholder. Does the Bible instruct you to obey the authority of a kidnapper?
Bad Brain
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Yep, that's what I remember: [Colossians 4:1] Masters, grant your slaves justice and fairness, knowing that you also have a Master in heaven.
CrazyNutz
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I think what this shows, is the bible was written by men in the frame of reference of their time, and not divinely inspired at all.
Too many things like this in the bible that lend it to not be the word of any God.
Too many things like this in the bible that lend it to not be the word of any God.
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VonBonfire
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At the time written slaves became christians.Rome had slaves. Being a christian wasn't about inciting a rebellion among ruling authorities. As far as a kidnapper, Exodus 21:16, Deut 24:7.
Thumbpicker
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It's all about context. There is the core message of the Gospels which addresses Jesus' life and ministry. Then there are letters of Paul and the other disciples to the various early churches and in those letter it addresses day to day issues some of which is relevant to the societies to which it was written. Some of the books in the Bible are to non-Jewish chuches i.e. the Gentiles - some are to a Jewish audience. The Bible takes the form of one big book but obviously it's a collection of smaller books. Some of those books are letters to churches.
Bad Brain
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Okay, so the bible explicitly forbids kidnap. Does it explicitly forbid slavery? No, it doesn't. If the custom was child sacrifice would Christians go ahead because it was cultural and they didn't want to upset the ruling authorities? Of course not. The bible condones slavery.
Thumbpicker
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The Bible accepts/condones divorce. It doesn't advocate it and actually it doesn't advocate for slavery either. It accepts that it occurs in the time it was written.
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VonBonfire
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That's your secularist interpretation.
Bad Brain
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Because it’s logical?
Bad Brain
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But it doesn’t accept kidnap or murder…
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VonBonfire
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No, it's biased by your atheist-protestant-western background. All of the early abolitionist were heavily influenced by their christian faith so please explain how they were wrong.
Bad Brain
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I think they were right of course. And I agree it’s possible to derive that stance from their faith, and likely the Bible as well. But same for the slaveholding Christians.
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VonBonfire
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It's theft, of labor, per the Catholic church.
I have a slave holding family in my family tree. The patriarch was a scottish rite freemason and likely only nominally christian. I don't know who or what his northern investors believed.
Metalhex
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Yeah, because all other religions would've espoused the ideas of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness ? ? ?
