New info and pricing for the EVH 5150 III 100S EL34.

[romanianreaper]

I don't know. Maybe all of us are out of the loop at bit. So many of us having been chasing the brown sound tone for so long and that is probably not what the majority wants or what is going to bring the money in.

I see metal bands like Sevendust and Testament using the EVH amps for the really heavy stuff and sounds phenomenal, but not Ed's tone so to speak. The blue channel does a close recreation with certain settings, etc. I guess the idea of a true brown sound amp with THAT tone is only going to speak to a few of us 80s VH lovers.

 

[nigelpkay]

I don't really care about the brown sound, but I do prefer EL34s over 6L6s in general. Still, the amp is over-the-top expensive if that's the only difference.

 

[Rick Lee]

How much were were the EVH Stealths when they first came out? I forget, but I think it was around $2600 in 2012. Now they're $2200 new and there's a used one here on RT for $1400. Seems to me the new EL34 head would be in line with that figuring for inflation and market demand. I mean, there definitely was a market demand for it. It's not something Ed was dying to put out for years and they finally got around to it. He mentioned in an interview that they were doing it because people wanted it. I'm not an early adopter and I'm happy with my Stealth. But, if I didn't have one, I might be interested in the new head once they have saturated the used market and are at the bottom of the depreciation curve.

 

[Just Mike]

They already made the MagicBrownSoundAmp. It's called a 1968 Marshall Super Lead.

 

[maddnotez]

He really needs to get with a Boutique builder and do a limited run of what fans have been waiting 40 years for.

I honestly just do not think he wants to. He probably knows he may go down as a legend in playing and also as having the most sought after tone by the tone seekers, one that could never be replicated.

Would have been done already. I do not follow this or Ed nearly as much as many people here but he comes off very secretive about "the tone".

Sometimes I wonder if he even knows himself how he got his tone back in the day. I do not think this new amp is going to do it though, not even close.

 

[Chester Nimitz]

Ed will always go down in History as the guy that blew your mind with guitar in 1978.

Kinda hard to forget thats just like the girl that gave you the first really good Blow Job.

 

[Chubtone]

Builders like Friedman & Bogner are Electronic Engineers designing & building products from scratch.

Ed has Fender build his amps with tips from Matt Brunk and then sent to their manufacture empire south of the border.

If i never buy anything but used ever again im okay with that.

Howard Kaplan is the designer of the EVH amps. He has a BS in Electronics from University of Illinois. I'm not sure what criteria you are using to describe someone as an electronics engineer, but I think you might want to add Kaplan to your list.

 

[Anonymous]

Builders like Friedman & Bogner are Electronic Engineers designing & building products from scratch.

Ed has Fender build his amps with tips from Matt Brunk and then sent to their manufacture empire south of the border.

If i never buy anything but used ever again im okay with that.

Howard Kaplan is the designer of the EVH amps. He has a BS in Electronics from University of Illinois. I'm not sure what criteria you are using to describe someone as an electronics engineer, but I think you might want to add Kaplan to your list.

Honestly, no one needs a BSEE to build a killer sounding amp (although I do have one )...

Steve

 

[Chester Nimitz]

Builders like Friedman & Bogner are Electronic Engineers designing & building products from scratch.

Ed has Fender build his amps with tips from Matt Brunk and then sent to their manufacture empire south of the border.

If i never buy anything but used ever again im okay with that.

Howard Kaplan is the designer of the EVH amps. He has a BS in Electronics from University of Illinois. I'm not sure what criteria you are using to describe someone as an electronics engineer, but I think you might want to add Kaplan to your list.

Quote :

In response to some comments here (and I'm getting requests often) you can NOT upgrade the current line of EVH-III's to EL34's for these main reasons: The current power transformer is completely under rated and can barely supply enough current for the 6L6 filament (and all the 12ax7's). The filament voltage needs to be within +/- 10% of 6.3V for them to function properly and to last as long as they are designed to last. The 5150-III amps measure 5.2 - 5.5V which is too low. I get lots of those amps in the shop and they all measure like that. EL34's need about 70% more current than 6L6/5881 tubes, so it would drop the filament voltage that the tubes might not work at all and the PT will heat up. One could install an external filament PT which is relatively small but then the next problem is that the PCB traces from the PT to the tube sockets are only designed for this lower 6L6 filament current, so there is a potential fire hazard and I have repaired Peavey 5150 amps where the PCB's were partially burned up where the filament traces were. Even the Peavey 6534+ has this potential problem and I also fixed some of those. It's just not enough to put a different PT and swap the screen resistors. The whole wiring and PCB traces need to be considered. So I hope that the new 5150-III was upgraded at the circuit board and wiring level as well !"


You were saying ... ?

 

[Stramm8]

Who is Matt "Brunk"??

 

[Rick Lee]

Matt Bruck is Ed's longtime personal asst. and sort of the go-between for Ed and Fender.

 

[Chubtone]

Quote :

In response to some comments here (and I'm getting requests often) you can NOT upgrade the current line of EVH-III's to EL34's for these main reasons: The current power transformer is completely under rated and can barely supply enough current for the 6L6 filament (and all the 12ax7's). The filament voltage needs to be within +/- 10% of 6.3V for them to function properly and to last as long as they are designed to last. The 5150-III amps measure 5.2 - 5.5V which is too low. I get lots of those amps in the shop and they all measure like that. EL34's need about 70% more current than 6L6/5881 tubes, so it would drop the filament voltage that the tubes might not work at all and the PT will heat up. One could install an external filament PT which is relatively small but then the next problem is that the PCB traces from the PT to the tube sockets are only designed for this lower 6L6 filament current, so there is a potential fire hazard and I have repaired Peavey 5150 amps where the PCB's were partially burned up where the filament traces were. Even the Peavey 6534+ has this potential problem and I also fixed some of those. It's just not enough to put a different PT and swap the screen resistors. The whole wiring and PCB traces need to be considered. So I hope that the new 5150-III was upgraded at the circuit board and wiring level as well !"


You were saying ... ?

What I said was quite clear and a BS degree in the field you are talking about is a feather that I think is in only one of these guys caps.

Who you are quoting above is completely unclear and should be considered as important as the actual quote. You want to describe Friedman and Bogner as Electronics Engineers, then Howard Kaplan easily fits on that list going by any reasonable criteria. You may like or not like the products but it seems bizarre to be debating this.

Does anyone really think Fender is going to just throw out a $2500 product with as many inherent design flaws as the anonymous tech mentioned above?

 

[Deleted member 13074]

Ed will always go down in History as the guy that blew your mind with guitar in 1978.

Kinda hard to forget thats just like the girl that gave you the first really good Blow Job.

I'm pretty sure your Mom doesn't count

Outta the park...

 

[Deleted member 13074]

Ed last used a traditional circuit amp in, what, 1989?
His most recent knowledge of the good old tones is older than Wolfie's scrot (b. 1991)

Putting EL34s in the 5150 and expecting it to sound 'brown' is like
putting Wolfie in Van Halen and expecting it to sound like

Van Halen

 

[Rick Lee]

Putting EL34s in the 5150 and expecting it to sound 'brown' is like
putting Wolfie in Van Halen and expecting it to sound like

Van Halen

For the win!

 

[Chester Nimitz]

Ed will always go down in History as the guy that blew your mind with guitar in 1978.

Kinda hard to forget thats just like the girl that gave you the first really good Blow Job.

I'm pretty sure your Mom doesn't count

Outta the park...

 

[Deleted member 13074]

I wondered where all that cash came from when I was growing up

 

[bionicmark]

Builders like Friedman & Bogner are Electronic Engineers designing & building products from scratch.

Ed has Fender build his amps with tips from Matt Brunk and then sent to their manufacture empire south of the border.

If i never buy anything but used ever again im okay with that.

Howard Kaplan is the designer of the EVH amps. He has a BS in Electronics from University of Illinois. I'm not sure what criteria you are using to describe someone as an electronics engineer, but I think you might want to add Kaplan to your list.

Quote :

In response to some comments here (and I'm getting requests often) you can NOT upgrade the current line of EVH-III's to EL34's for these main reasons: The current power transformer is completely under rated and can barely supply enough current for the 6L6 filament (and all the 12ax7's). The filament voltage needs to be within +/- 10% of 6.3V for them to function properly and to last as long as they are designed to last. The 5150-III amps measure 5.2 - 5.5V which is too low. I get lots of those amps in the shop and they all measure like that. EL34's need about 70% more current than 6L6/5881 tubes, so it would drop the filament voltage that the tubes might not work at all and the PT will heat up. One could install an external filament PT which is relatively small but then the next problem is that the PCB traces from the PT to the tube sockets are only designed for this lower 6L6 filament current, so there is a potential fire hazard and I have repaired Peavey 5150 amps where the PCB's were partially burned up where the filament traces were. Even the Peavey 6534+ has this potential problem and I also fixed some of those. It's just not enough to put a different PT and swap the screen resistors. The whole wiring and PCB traces need to be considered. So I hope that the new 5150-III was upgraded at the circuit board and wiring level as well !"


You were saying ... ?

That quote is from Jens Kruse.
He's dissected those amps 100x over.

 

[romanianreaper]

Ed will always go down in History as the guy that blew your mind with guitar in 1978.

Kinda hard to forget thats just like the girl that gave you the first really good Blow Job.

For some reason whenever I read your posts I forget what planet I'm on for about 5 minutes.

I'm suddenly craving banana cream pie served in a bikini bottom.....

 

[RockyStar]

These will sell here like crazy.