New Paypal B.S.

[napalmdeath]

"We’re changing how we treat refunds. If you refund (partially or fully) a transaction to a buyer or a donation to a donor, there are no fees to make the refund, but the fees you originally paid as the seller will not be returned to you".

So..... Now you get to eat seller fees when buyers file frivolous claims.

I really only use Reverb these days. They pay me, not Paypal. Even though a buyer who uses Paypal can still cause problems, it hasn't happened, (with me, anyway). Paypal really needs to stop punishing sellers, and start adding a layer of protection. People just abuse the hell out of their lack of concern for a seller.

 

[DragonCrestPC]

Thanks for the heads up!

 

[skullfxr]

It blows, but at least reverb is way better than eBay about taking care of their sellers.

 

[jkdsteve]

Well the latest Reverb BS is they are collecting Sales Tax on sellers behalf in “certain states” based on some ruling in another state....completely illegal as far as I’m concerned if the seller does not have a presence in your state.

 

[Candiria]

Well the latest Reverb BS is they are collecting Sales Tax on sellers behalf in “certain states” based on some ruling in another state....completely illegal as far as I’m concerned if the seller does not have a presence in your state.

It's not Reverb, it's the states. The tax is only collected in the states that enforce the law. The "marketplace facilitator" ie Reverb, Amazon, eBay, Etsy are now on the hook to collect and remit sales tax on the third party transactions that happen through their sites. It's complete bs that it applies to sellers who only sell used goods and have like maybe a dozen transactions a year.

 

[skullfxr]

Well the latest Reverb BS is they are collecting Sales Tax on sellers behalf in “certain states” based on some ruling in another state....completely illegal as far as I’m concerned if the seller does not have a presence in your state.

It's not Reverb, it's the states. The tax is only collected in the states that enforce the law. The "marketplace facilitator" ie Reverb, Amazon, eBay, Etsy are now on the hook to collect and remit sales tax on the third party transactions that happen through their sites. It's complete bs that it applies to sellers who only sell used goods and have like maybe a dozen transactions a year.

I hate that BS.

 

[scottosan]

"We’re changing how we treat refunds. If you refund (partially or fully) a transaction to a buyer or a donation to a donor, there are no fees to make the refund, but the fees you originally paid as the seller will not be returned to you".

So..... Now you get to eat seller fees when buyers file frivolous claims.

I really only use Reverb these days. They pay me, not Paypal. Even though a buyer who uses Paypal can still cause problems, it hasn't happened, (with me, anyway). Paypal really needs to stop punishing sellers, and start adding a layer of protection. People just abuse the hell out of their lack of concern for a seller.

Yeah it sucks, but you have to look at it this way. All of these tools let the average person relatively compete with actual businesses. Businessrs have had to deal with difficult and unscrupulous buyers long before PayPal, eBay, or Reverb. So ultimately if you do enough transaction you will ultimately come across the A-hole buyer that businesses have been dealing with on a regular basis. It really is the process of doing business and better than the alternative of being limited to local cash only deals or grabbing your ankles when trading in. Your buyer pool is increased, but at a cost.

 

[lespaul6]

To add... I believe the credit card company refunds paypal the 3% they charge the seller so now they get to pocket that money. Nice work

 

[romanianreaper]

As I get older, I realize more and more that absolutely nothing is easy and everything has an f'ing catch. Everything. Someone is going to find a way to get more money, more customers, etc., etc. If something is fun or interesting, you can be rest assured someone will find a way to jack things up.

 

[jkdsteve]

Well the latest Reverb BS is they are collecting Sales Tax on sellers behalf in “certain states” based on some ruling in another state....completely illegal as far as I’m concerned if the seller does not have a presence in your state.

It's not Reverb, it's the states. The tax is only collected in the states that enforce the law. The "marketplace facilitator" ie Reverb, Amazon, eBay, Etsy are now on the hook to collect and remit sales tax on the third party transactions that happen through their sites. It's complete bs that it applies to sellers who only sell used goods and have like maybe a dozen transactions a year.

Wow, that's a real shitty deal for those folks...guess prices will be going up.

The Reverb thing leaves me $56 short on a transaction I thought I had the $ for...guess I'll be taking a neg on that now :-(

 

[grrr_me_scary]

I believe I had seen an email from PayPal saying something about this new refund requirement along with something stated like "If you don't agree to it then please close your PayPal account and thank you for your business ....."

I have heard from people that one of the issues with using PayPal to sell things directly is "buyer's remorse" since the person might have decided they wanted something else, the wife said "NO" but they still purchased it, tax season, loss of income, car problems, the wife found out what you had purchased, band broke up, a new amp endorsement, purchased a new guitar, too many cups of coffee, deciding not to play any longer, etc..... and believe me, the list seems to really go on and on and on...

I would make sure that every time someone wants to buy directly from you (and use their credit card), and not through eBay or Reverb, that you come to a clear agreement that will protect you as a seller.

You could have the buyer place something in the notes like "I understand that I am purchasing this item AS-IS and you do not do refunds," however, I would make sure this seller-buyer agreement is binding through PayPal, so you don't get any headaches later.

 

[DragonCrestPC]

As I get older, I realize more and more that absolutely nothing is easy and everything has an f'ing catch. Everything. Someone is going to find a way to get more money, more customers, etc., etc. If something is fun or interesting, you can be rest assured someone will find a way to jack things up.

Agreed.

 

[Beandust]

Is anyone surprised? It's more greed and more of a pain in the ass period. It's almost like paypal doesnt want people to sell used. Or I guess they see the supply and demand not going away anytime soon for used gear so they know it's just more $ for them. The easiest option is to use Zelle as it is offered by most banks and there is no fucking fee. This would of course mean there has to be good communication between seller and buyer disclosing everything, and is there protection? It's hard to phathom why anyone needs a 3rd party to buy something. You have the money and you already have a financial institution, so list the gear and then contact the seller buyer, paypal is greedy and reverb is as well. Greeeeeed

 

[stratjacket]

Well the latest Reverb BS is they are collecting Sales Tax on sellers behalf in “certain states” based on some ruling in another state....completely illegal as far as I’m concerned if the seller does not have a presence in your state.

It's not Reverb, it's the states. The tax is only collected in the states that enforce the law. The "marketplace facilitator" ie Reverb, Amazon, eBay, Etsy are now on the hook to collect and remit sales tax on the third party transactions that happen through their sites. It's complete bs that it applies to sellers who only sell used goods and have like maybe a dozen transactions a year.

I noticed that too. On certain items there is a Tax charge even though the seller is cross country. I really don't see how that is legal. But either way, I avoid it. If I start to buy something through Reverb and there is a Tax, I will just choose a different seller that isn't in a location that charges the tax.

 

[guitarmike]

I believe I had seen an email from PayPal saying something about this new refund requirement along with something stated like "If you don't agree to it then please close your PayPal account and thank you for your business ....."

I have heard from people that one of the issues with using PayPal to sell things directly is "buyer's remorse" since the person might have decided they wanted something else, the wife said "NO" but they still purchased it, tax season, loss of income, car problems, the wife found out what you had purchased, band broke up, a new amp endorsement, purchased a new guitar, too many cups of coffee, deciding not to play any longer, etc..... and believe me, the list seems to really go on and on and on...

I would make sure that every time someone wants to buy directly from you (and use their credit card), and not through eBay or Reverb, that you come to a clear agreement that will protect you as a seller.

You could have the buyer place something in the notes like "I understand that I am purchasing this item AS-IS and you do not do refunds," however, I would make sure this seller-buyer agreement is binding through PayPal, so you don't get any headaches later.

I sell a lot on Ebay and have had 3 cases where the buyer tried to rip me off. All three times paypal had my back and I did not lose any money. From paypal's perspective, if the item was delivered and there is no damage claim (and your official policy is no returns), they side with the seller. Ebay will stickyou if you are not careful.

 

[skullfxr]

I believe I had seen an email from PayPal saying something about this new refund requirement along with something stated like "If you don't agree to it then please close your PayPal account and thank you for your business ....."

I have heard from people that one of the issues with using PayPal to sell things directly is "buyer's remorse" since the person might have decided they wanted something else, the wife said "NO" but they still purchased it, tax season, loss of income, car problems, the wife found out what you had purchased, band broke up, a new amp endorsement, purchased a new guitar, too many cups of coffee, deciding not to play any longer, etc..... and believe me, the list seems to really go on and on and on...

I would make sure that every time someone wants to buy directly from you (and use their credit card), and not through eBay or Reverb, that you come to a clear agreement that will protect you as a seller.

You could have the buyer place something in the notes like "I understand that I am purchasing this item AS-IS and you do not do refunds," however, I would make sure this seller-buyer agreement is binding through PayPal, so you don't get any headaches later.

I sell a lot on Ebay and have had 3 cases where the buyer tried to rip me off. All three times paypal had my back and I did not lose any money. From paypal's perspective, if the item was delivered and there is no damage claim (and your official policy is no returns), they side with the seller. Ebay will stickyou if you are not careful.

I no longer sell on eBay they have higher fees and always side with the buyer. Neither PayPal nor reverb are in the wrong with me. It is the safest way to sell and not get screwed. Yeah paypal's new policy is a pain, but if the worst thing that can happen is losing 3% I can survive. It's a lot better than getting ripped off at full price. I have yet to run into a problem with PayPal other than them increasing their fees, which is minimal.

Saying that, I list on CL and OfferUp. I bring some one along with me and that is that.

Reverb's and paypal's fees are offset by selling something for a higher price than local.

IMHO and YYMV

 

[DaveP]

eBay is dead for gear sales. If you list a guitar for instance on both the views you get from eBay are considerably lower than Reverbs. I'm talking same 24hr period you get 100 views on Reverb compared to 5 on eBay.
Reverb seems to have better seller protection by far as the buyers pay Reverb direct instead of you, then Reverb pays you.

 

[zuel69]

Well the latest Reverb BS is they are collecting Sales Tax on sellers behalf in “certain states” based on some ruling in another state....completely illegal as far as I’m concerned if the seller does not have a presence in your state.

It's not Reverb, it's the states. The tax is only collected in the states that enforce the law. The "marketplace facilitator" ie Reverb, Amazon, eBay, Etsy are now on the hook to collect and remit sales tax on the third party transactions that happen through their sites. It's complete bs that it applies to sellers who only sell used goods and have like maybe a dozen transactions a year.

This is coming for everyone of us who buys and sells gear, it's only a matter of time before every state is involved. We will be back to newspaper ads and sending paper checks in the mail soon enough!

https://reverb.com/news/what-reverb-sel ... -tax-rules

 

[romanianreaper]

This is coming for everyone of us who buys and sells gear, it's only a matter of time before every state is involved. We will be back to newspaper ads and sending paper checks in the mail soon enough!

https://reverb.com/news/what-reverb-sel ... -tax-rules

Dude, I'm all for it. Without sounding too much like an old f***, I miss the days of meeting people, trying out a piece of gear and discussing it, music stores, thumbing thru vinyl, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I love technology and being able to purchase online, etc. but some of these "rules", etc. that companies enact just prove how they are trying to make money. If sites like Ebay, Reverb, etc. keep doing things a certain way and not keeping the customer in mind, they are going to find themselves a dinosaur down the road like "Sears" and "Circuit City".

 

[skullfxr]

Screw selling on reverb. Period. The zuel69 post showed me some info I didn't know. I will only sell things there if they won't sell for a good price local. I have one item on reverb at the moment.

Does this affect buying? I am more of an online buyer than a seller anyways.